Conundrum's of Digital Smoking ?

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gary s

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Conundrum’s of Digital Smoking?

What the Heck is a Conundrum ?

“a confusing and difficult problem or question”

Should you, or should you not stick that meat probe in everything you smoke?

For all of you who know me, you know I am Old School.

I learned the old way before they had all this fancy stuff.

I learned before Computers, Cell Phones, Google, Microwaves and a host of other modern day conveniences. When I first started to learn to smoke and grill I was still sleeping under an Attic Fan and open windows. Does that mean I don’t like technology ? HECK NO !  I love it I wouldn’t trade my Recliner, TV remote and Laptop for anything, “Well maybe some things”

I think technology is great, it make us fat and lazy and lets us do less and less but we love it. You don’t even have to get out of your chair anymore just say “Turn off the lights, turn the air down or what is the weather” and that little black box does it all.

But Really, I love all the new technology. I remember getting all excited about the first computer we bought for the office, paid about twenty grand for a DOS machine that wouldn’t do as much as you can do on your phone now. Or my first car phone the hardware was as big as a small suitcase and the phone looked like your old corded house phone.

But, back to the Conundrum of digital smoking. I learned the old way by sight touch, feel and time. I never had a temp gauge starting out let alone a probe thermometer.

Chicken was ready when the juices run clear and the meat was pulling up on the leg bone. Ribs were ready when the meat was pulling back from the ends and by sight and bend test.

Pork butt was ready when I could wiggle the bone and it started to pull out clean. Brisket was ready when I could slide a wooden skewer in “like butter” and by sight and feel.

Since all this new neat stuff has come out I use a lot of it and some I don’t.

I have had temp gauges on my smokers for years, I have a couple of instant read thermometers I use and even have a Maverick.

I check my smoker gauge ever so often to make sure it is reading correctly, same with my instant reads which I use mainly for poultry. I am sad to say I have only used my Maverick 2 or 3 times. It’s not that I dislike it (Actually it’s pretty cool” BUT I forget to get it out and I found when I did use it I spent all my time staring at it. Not good !. With time I would probably get over that.

I have smoked so many Briskets, Butts, Ribs, etc. the Old School way it’s second nature. Don’t give it much thought, throw a split on every once in a while and let her smoke.

Now there are several things, Smoked Prime Rib for one where my Maverick is great. I would say anytime you are shooting for a Rare, Med. Rare etc. on a large piece of meat use the Probe.

If you are cooking to a certain temp, use the probe.

I certainly am not trying to discourage anyone from using all these new-fangled gadgets I am one of the worst at wanting to try everything that comes out.

My thoughts on using these gadgets, Do whatever is the most comfortable to you. If they would have had all this neat stuff when I first started I’m sure I would have used what I could have afforded. Now in saying that I see less and less Old School ways being done and I think that is a shame.

Personally I think everyone should learn to cook by Sight Touch, Feel and Time, once you have that down you get pretty darn comfortable smoking. I know guys how are a nervous wreck every time they smoke, scared to death and constantly checking the temps. Learn how the old way, then apply all the new technology really makes thing go easy. But just don’t depend entirely on the electronics, touch it feel it, look at it.

Another thing is Know your Smoker that is probably the most important thing you can do. If you know how your smoker cooks that’s half the battle. I’m a stick burner and can take my smoker temp up in 10° increments  Takes a little practice but if I can do it so can you. All I am saying is learn the basics then apply the technology.

If you didn’t get too board and read this whole thing, Thank you.

Gary
 
Well said Gary! I bought my first instant read therm a few years ago when I was smoking the fancy thanksgiving turkey my mother in law bought from some organic farm. I still typically only use it for poultry. I cooked ribs on a buddy's offset a few years ago, no temp gauge. But I knew what the meat should look like during the different stages of the cook and adjusted the fire accordingly. Personally a lot of these gadgets and gizmos sound really cool. I've just never had the extra scratch to get them.
 
Good post Gary, I agree with a lot of it, When I first started cooking I had a teacher that emphasized exactly that touch and feel. before we started using the probes/ meat thermometers. I am by no means a professional and don't claim to be, I can cook and have found the passion again for it, And have also bought some of the toys to help me make it better. Yes you definitely need to know the basics. 
 
Thanks Guys

Gary
 
Nice post Gary, it's just the world we live in today. Ever watch a kid try to figure out change when the cash register isn't working? Same with writing in cursive.  

Chris
 
I think with experience you can do things old school, but for someone who just bought a smoker.

Has never smoked a thing in their life, IMHO some type of therm is needed, both for the pit & the meat.

I also like to be able to replicate a perfect smoke over & over. The way I do that is with temp control.

Both the pit & the meat. 

Just my 2 cents.

Al
 
I agree 1000%!! I use a Thermapen mostly for food safety as I often times feed from a hundred to 300 people at a time. I had the Mavericks at one time and got annoyed by the wires hanging out of the smoker and getting snagged by my arm or something when doing things in the smoker not to mention knocking over the transmitter sitting on the shelf of the smoker.

I got a drawer full of probes and transmitters and receivers that haven't seen the light of day for years. I love tending the fire on a stick burner. Temp control, smoke control, being able to look at the exhaust stack and know if I need to add a stick or not. Bend test for ribs is all I go by and it's never failed me. I never foiled ribs or I have never injected a piece of meat in my life.

I love the taste of the meat when accompanied by some spice and the smoke of low and slow. I don't want the meat to simply become a vehicle for all the other injections, marinades sauces etc.

I'm the old school keep it simple type and it has served me well. I'm not one to brag but I get many comments from people at cooking events that watch what I do and call it an art. In some ways they are right and I'm afraid with all the technology it's becoming a lost one.
 
I agree some what... I use my meat probe on snack sticks, sausage, and chicken... I bought the BBQ Guru for my stick burner... only used it once and it's been sitting in the box ever since... I wanted to master the smoker without it (still working on that) since there isn't always electric around ... but yes, getting to know your smoker is the most important part of this wonderful venture...
 
 
I think with experience you can do things old school, but for someone who just bought a smoker.

Has never smoked a thing in their life, IMHO some type of therm is needed, both for the pit & the meat.

I also like to be able to replicate a perfect smoke over & over. The way I do that is with temp control.

Both the pit & the meat. 

Just my 2 cents.

Al
I agree, like I said if they would have had all these neat toys when I started I would have been on board.

But I still say Everyone should know the basics  OMG what would happen if your battery petered out in the middle of your smoke and you didn't have a replacement ??

Just Saying

Gary
 
 
Nice post Gary, it's just the world we live in today. Ever watch a kid try to figure out change when the cash register isn't working? Same with writing in cursive.  

Chris
Yep , or wait till they ring it up then give them change  "Deer in the headlight look"

Gary
 
 
I agree 1000%!! I use a Thermapen mostly for food safety as I often times feed from a hundred to 300 people at a time. I had the Mavericks at one time and got annoyed by the wires hanging out of the smoker and getting snagged by my arm or something when doing things in the smoker not to mention knocking over the transmitter sitting on the shelf of the smoker.

I got a drawer full of probes and transmitters and receivers that haven't seen the light of day for years. I love tending the fire on a stick burner. Temp control, smoke control, being able to look at the exhaust stack and know if I need to add a stick or not. Bend test for ribs is all I go by and it's never failed me. I never foiled ribs or I have never injected a piece of meat in my life.

I love the taste of the meat when accompanied by some spice and the smoke of low and slow. I don't want the meat to simply become a vehicle for all the other injections, marinades sauces etc.

I'm the old school keep it simple type and it has served me well. I'm not one to brag but I get many comments from people at cooking events that watch what I do and call it an art. In some ways they are right and I'm afraid with all the technology it's becoming a lost one.
Amen  Brother

Gary
 
Great Post, Gary, and well written!!!
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Can't argue here, either way.

I use a Maverick for everything except Pork Ribs, and double check with my "Thermapen" on all meats thick enough to probe accurately.

However lets not forget that I didn't have a Smoker until I hit 60 years old----8 Years ago, and I didn't have the time or a teacher nearby to help teach me Old School methods, so that's my excuse & I'm sticking by it.

Thanks for taking the time to write this, Gary!!

Bear
 
Thanks  Bear

Gary
 
i use my digital thermometer  pretty must just to get a accurate temp in the smoker. i go more by feel  with ribs brisket  and porkbutts after doing them enough you can pretty much tell by time and how they feel if they are done. but to do that you need to be constant about your temp my go to temp range is 275-285. so i know  spareribs  cooked at that temp take x  hours  i pick them up and if they flop right  i pull them.

 porkbutts the same at x hour i check the bone if it pulls  clean from the meat  its usually well over 200 degrees and done.  brisket  same after i like the colour  and wrapped in butcher paper after x hours  i pick it up  if it feels  soft  and jiggly its usually done if it feels tight  let it go a little longer 
 
I agree with both Bear and Smokin Al. I too was one who didn't have a teacher and learned on my own. I started in my mid 40s. One advantage I had was to be around folks occasionally who know smoking well. As a reporter, I'm used to asking many questions and the folks I learned a bit from were gracious with their time and knowledge. I bought books, read forums and smoked a lot of meat. Some good, some definitely bad. Smoking to me is like photography. I learned photography the old school way; understand how shutter speed, ISO, fstop, depth of field and light all interact. Then set your camera's settings manually to achieve the results you want. I still do that today in my professional work despite cameras that are capable of running fully automatic and producing the right results in most situations. The same can be said for smoking. You can use digital equipment and get pretty much the same results as going old school However, I think the best results come to you when you know your smoker well, understand the science behind both your smoker and your meat and can run a successful cook without technology. Having said that, when you're new to smoking, I think it's good to have the tech aids to help you be successful early. That will encourage those who are new to the hobby. Once they enjoy the success, they'll be encouraged to explore the great world of smoking and the fine, helpful people who populate the world. I know I've been encouraged by and learned from many people here. I'm thankful for that and have started to pass on some of the knowledge that has served me well. So, yes to both old school and tech in my opinion. I think, in the end, as long as you know what's happening and why, smoke however you like. Putting food on the plate that brings a smile to you and the ones you love should always be the goal. Enjoy the journey however you like.
 
I agree with both Bear and Smokin Al. I too was one who didn't have a teacher and learned on my own. I started in my mid 40s. One advantage I had was to be around folks occasionally who know smoking well. As a reporter, I'm used to asking many questions and the folks I learned a bit from were gracious with their time and knowledge. I bought books, read forums and smoked a lot of meat. Some good, some definitely bad. Smoking to me is like photography. I learned photography the old school way; understand how shutter speed, ISO, fstop, depth of field and light all interact. Then set your camera's settings manually to achieve the results you want. I still do that today in my professional work despite cameras that are capable of running fully automatic and producing the right results in most situations. The same can be said for smoking. You can use digital equipment and get pretty much the same results as going old school However, I think the best results come to you when you know your smoker well, understand the science behind both your smoker and your meat and can run a successful cook without technology. Having said that, when you're new to smoking, I think it's good to have the tech aids to help you be successful early. That will encourage those who are new to the hobby. Once they enjoy the success, they'll be encouraged to explore the great world of smoking and the fine, helpful people who populate the world. I know I've been encouraged by and learned from many people here. I'm thankful for that and have started to pass on some of the knowledge that has served me well. So, yes to both old school and tech in my opinion. I think, in the end, as long as you know what's happening and why, smoke however you like. Putting food on the plate that brings a smile to you and the ones you love should always be the goal. Enjoy the journey however you like.
Very well put, 
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I got interested in Photography in the 70's never thought digital would take the place of film. 

I drag out one of my old Rolleiflex every once in a while just for old time sake'

Gary
 
 
Where would the newbies be without a therm & trying to follow Bear's step by steps?

Al
Great point Al, but like I said in my post  "If they would of had all this stuff when I started I would have used it"

.

And Yes Bear's step by steps are fool proof if you follow his directions.

Just like your Ribs which are always beautiful

Gary
 
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