Chucky (Tastes Great, but not so Tender)

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I yet have to do a chucky but did a bottom round roast that was recommended for 2-3 days and the top round at 1-2 days. I did the bottom round at 135*F for 56 hours that was great but we're not comparing the same roasts. I vaguely recall that I read after 50 hours the texture of meat is softer going towards mushy but didn't experience that. I may stick to two days but something came up and being pasturized I got to it when I could.

This is from A Practical Guide to Sou Vide Cooking under tough meat. The last sentence caught my eye.
At lower temperatures (120°F/50°C to 150°F/ 65°C), Bouton and Harris (1981) found that tough cuts of beef (from animals 0–4 years old) were the most tender when cooked to between 131°F and 140°F (55°C and 60°C). Cooking the beef for 24 hours at these temperatures significantly increased its tenderness (with shear forces decreasing 26%–72% compared to 1 hour of cooking). This tenderizing is caused by weakening of connective tissue and proteolytic enzymes decreasing myofibrillar tensile strength. Indeed, collagen begins to dissolve into gelatin above 122°F to 131°F (50°C to 55°C) (Neklyudov, 2003; This, 2006). Moreover, the sarcoplasmic protein enzyme collagenase remains active below 140°F (60°C) and can significantly tenderize the meat if held for more than 6 hours (Tornberg, 2005). This is why beef chuck roast cooked in a 131°F–140°F (55°C–60°C) water bath for 24–48 hours has the texture of filet mignon.

Kurt,
None of that is the problem.
The problem is the same cut of meat done the exact same way can be Perfectly Fork Tender on one Choice Roast, and very Tough on another Choice Roast. I'm working to figure out where the line is that I can use to make the Tough roast Fork Tender without ruining the texture of the one that doesn't need the extra time, because you can't tell ahead of time which one it is. I'll get it figured out.

Bear
 
Too bad it didn't come out as expected!
But the photo's sure make it look good!
Al

Thank You Al !!
Yes it tasted Great, but it wasn't Fork Tender like the others, and I won't stop experimenting until I can make them ALL Tender!!
And Thanks for the Like.

Bear
 
None that I know of. I wish there was!!
This one was trying to fall apart when I was searing it. but it was tough to chew.

It's hard to nail down how to make these, because of the occasional bad one.
So I make them absolutely Fork Tender perfect using 133° for 21--22 hours. Then I get one like this one & it's not fork tender. So how long does that one need? And how do I find out how long a Tough one takes when I don't know ahead of time which one is tough?

I think I just have to see how much longer I can keep them in there before they start getting unacceptable from being in the SV too long, and then do them all like that. Guess I gotta work on that. I'll be staying on that 133° Temp, but I'm going to start extending the times on Chuckies---Gradually.

John

Since I've never SV cooked before I may be a little confused due to my ignorance so please Bear with me ;)
Would it be possible to pull the Chuck from the SV bath when you normally do.
Remove it from the bag and put on plate.
Then use a fork to do a test cut into it in a 1-3 places to see if it is fork tender?
If not throw it into another bag and right back into the SV bath for a few more hours. Rinse, repeat.

Again I am very ignorant on the actual SV operation. I get the SV cooking concepts but there is a lot I don't know because reading vs doing are two different animals :)
 
Since I've never SV cooked before I may be a little confused due to my ignorance so please Bear with me ;)
Would it be possible to pull the Chuck from the SV bath when you normally do.
Remove it from the bag and put on plate.
Then use a fork to do a test cut into it in a 1-3 places to see if it is fork tender?
If not throw it into another bag and right back into the SV bath for a few more hours. Rinse, repeat.

Again I am very ignorant on the actual SV operation. I get the SV cooking concepts but there is a lot I don't know because reading vs doing are two different animals :)


I would imagine you could do that, but if I did that, I would want to use Zip-locks instead of Vacuum packs, so I could do it easily & not have to Vac Pack it each time I would check it. And My Sous Vide Supreme isn't set up good to use Zip locks.
However since even when they are a little tough, they still taste Great, so I don't mind doing multiple Chuckies for testing.

Bear
 
I would imagine you could do that, but if I did that, I would want to use Zip-locks instead of Vacuum packs, so I could do it easily & not have to Vac Pack it each time I would check it. And My Sous Vide Supreme isn't set up good to use Zip locks.
However since even when they are a little tough, they still taste Great, so I don't mind doing multiple Chuckies for testing.

Bear

Ah, I understand.
I just didn't have a clue if something with SV really prevented that option.
I like your approach a lot because you get to eat more amazing beef as you test :)
 
Still looks great, John - especially the pic with the bread and gravy. Sometimes like with other tough cuts that should be tneder, it is all about the individual cow.

Thank You PZ !!
Yup---That was the only thing I ever ordered when I was a Kid & my Parents & I would stop at a restaurant on the way home from the Mountains. And the same thing Bear Jr always ordered for years, when the 3 of us stopped at a Restaurant.
And Thanks for the Like.

Bear
 
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