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bill ace 350

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Have about 40 pounds of lake trout and salmon to smoke.

Will it be OK to freeze some and smoke later?

What is the longest I can dry brine?

Plan on basic 4:1 brown sugar to Kosher salt for some, wet brine for some.

Any dry brine recipes you would recommend other than my basic one? Thanks.
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Here is a thread I just posted at the end of July asking similar questions and may help you...
 
Here is a thread I just posted at the end of July asking similar questions and may help you...
Thanks!
 
Will it be OK to freeze some and smoke later?

What is the longest I can dry brine?
Freezing fish can be a slippery slope, and there are opposing views on this subject. Fast freezing causes less damage to the flesh and this is why so many commercial processors use this method. Slower freezing can cause the cell tissue to burst.

One point of view for smoking fish that was frozen is that ruptured cells will take the flavors in the (dry or wet) brine easier, and take smoke easier. The opposing point of view is that ruptured cells will result in greater moisture loss during thawing -plus- the salt in the brine draws out moisture... so both of these things will result in a change in texture. I have smoked a lot of trout for friends that they had frozen and I can tell a difference in the moistness and texture. I actually field dress trout for smoking immediately after catching them, and get it on ice. This is especially true for river or lake shore trout. This reduces the effects of rigor, and trout are not a stringer fish.

Timing for your brine (wet or dry) depends on the brine strength, the species of fish, and the thickness of the fillets. I smoke 99% of my trout, steelhead or salmon with the skin-on so that is a factor as well.

Here is an article I have updated over the years that uses a dry brine method.
 
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Freezing fish can be a slippery slope, and there are opposing views on this subject. Fast freezing causes less damage to the flesh and this is why so many commercial processors use this method. Slower freezing can cause the cell tissue to burst.

One point of view for smoking fish that was frozen is that ruptured cells will take the flavors in the (dry or wet) brine easier, and take smoke easier. The opposing point of view is that ruptured cells will result in greater moisture loss during thawing -plus- the salt in the brine draws out moisture... so both of these things will result in a change in texture. I have smoked a lot of trout for friends that they had frozen and I can tell a difference in the moistness and texture. I actually field dress trout for smoking immediately after catching them, and get it on ice. This is especially true for river or lake shore trout. This reduces the effects of rigor, and trout are not a stringer fish.

Timing for your brine (wet or dry) depends on the brine strength, the species of fish, and the thickness of the fillets. I smoke 99% of my trout, steelhead or salmon with the skin-on so that is a factor as well.

Here is an article I have updated over the years that uses a dry brine method.
good stuff. Thank you
 
Brining and layering. Divided filets in thick tray and thin tray. This was last night. Prepping to start smoking now.
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Almost ready for the smoker.... got a later start than I had planned on....

About 20 more minutes and I'll sprinkle the first batch with garlic powder and black pepper...
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Nice thin smoke from my tube.
Will check at 145, probably go to 150 and pull.
 
First batch out. Pulled at 145.

Pretty tasty! Cooled for a bit then in the fridge overnight loosely covered, vac seal tomorrow.
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Pretty tasty! Cooled for a bit then in the fridge overnight loosely covered, vac seal tomorrow.
Nice color on those... and your smoker temp was ideal because I don't see albumen on the surface 👍.

The surface texture will soften slightly by tomorrow, and like bacon the smoky flavor needs time to mellow... so not vacuum sealing today is a good plan. If you are worried that some of the thicker pieces will get crushed when vac sealing, you can place them in the freezer so they firm up.
 
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Nice color on those... and your smoker temp was ideal because I don't see albumen on the surface 👍.

The surface texture will soften slightly by tomorrow, and like bacon the smoky flavor needs time to mellow... so not vacuum sealing today is a good plan. If you are worried that some of the thicker pieces will get crushed when vac sealing, you can place them in the freezer so they firm up.
Thanks. Pulled at 145 after testing a few different pieces... batch in the smoker is at 142 right now.
 
Freezing fish can be a slippery slope, and there are opposing views on this subject. Fast freezing causes less damage to the flesh and this is why so many commercial processors use this method. Slower freezing can cause the cell tissue to burst.

One point of view for smoking fish that was frozen is that ruptured cells will take the flavors in the (dry or wet) brine easier, and take smoke easier. The opposing point of view is that ruptured cells will result in greater moisture loss during thawing -plus- the salt in the brine draws out moisture... so both of these things will result in a change in texture. I have smoked a lot of trout for friends that they had frozen and I can tell a difference in the moistness and texture. I actually field dress trout for smoking immediately after catching them, and get it on ice. This is especially true for river or lake shore trout. This reduces the effects of rigor, and trout are not a stringer fish.

Timing for your brine (wet or dry) depends on the brine strength, the species of fish, and the thickness of the fillets. I smoke 99% of my trout, steelhead or salmon with the skin-on so that is a factor as well.

Here is an article I have updated over the years that uses a dry brine method.
When I caught rockfish (a variety of bottom species) out of Westport, WA, I would freeze the fillets: Fill a gallon Ziploc freezer bag with water, then add enough fillets for two people or a couple of meals. Place the bag in the chest freezer until needed for the grill. Thaw the bag in a pot of cold tap water. I've kept fillets this way for over a year, and they always seemed fresh and new when thawed.
 
When I caught rockfish (a variety of bottom species) out of Westport, WA, I would freeze the fillets: Fill a gallon Ziploc freezer bag with water, then add enough fillets for two people or a couple of meals. Place the bag in the chest freezer until needed for the grill. Thaw the bag in a pot of cold tap water. I've kept fillets this way for over a year, and they always seemed fresh and new when thawed
Growing up, we used half-gallon milk cartons for freezing smaller fillets like perch in water.
 
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