Anyone Know What kind Of Tree This Is?

[lancep]

I have a ton of these growing around the house. This one appears to be dying but there's 4-5 more growing on this hill that need to be cleared. If I can smoke with them I'll be good for years.

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[shyzabrau]

I can't zoom in on the pictures on my phone. Can you take a close up of the leaves? It looks like a compound leaf, so a picture of the individual leaflet and the entire compound leaf would be good.

 

[lancep]

Yeah, I'm having trouble getting pics with any depth. They are compound with small leaflets. Also, the trunk does not split. I'll try to get a better close up of leaves in a few

 

[lancep]

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There are longer leaves with more leaflets but this was what I could reach

 

[noboundaries]

Everything I could find online indicates it is a member of the elm family, which is not suitable for smoking.

 

[shyzabrau]

I concur. Compound leaves, serrated borders, asymmetrical base - most likely elm. Maybe American elm. Some folks have stated that elm has a toxin that is released as it is burned, but I haven't found conclusive support for that.

 

[daveomak]

I've smoked with elm..... ONCE....   taste like krap....   Threw the meat out.... 

 

[lancep]

Thanks Y’all! Elm is definitely a concern. I’m pretty sure I have them growing around the creek bed. However, I really don’t think this is an elm. I wish I could take a pic with enough contrast and depth so this tree could be seen. What really has me hung up is the trunk. All the sites I’ve visited talk about a split or forked trunk and branches. One site went as far as to say, if it had a single central trunk it wasn’t an elm. This tree has a very distinct central trunk. I guess I’ll just err on the safe side and stick to harvesting the oaks and pecans.

 

[shyzabrau]

Yeah, definitely not an American elm - the leaves are too short.

I think these are simple, not compound. (Look for buds at the base of the leaf.)

Could be cedar elm?

 

[daveomak]

Looks like a type of Elm to me....

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=elm+leaves&FORM=HDRSC2

 

[chopsaw]

Ash family ? 

 

[daveomak]

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=elm+bark&FORM=HDRSC2

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ash+bark&FORM=HDRSC2

 

[lancep]

Yeah, definitely not an American elm - the leaves are too short.

I think these are simple, not compound. (Look for buds at the base of the leaf.)

Could be cedar elm?

I agree. I pulled a leaf off one of the pecans and compared, looks like a simple leaf attached to a "woody" stem. I looked up the cedar elm and that is a possibility.

Ash family ? 

I had wondered about that but I'm pretty sure these are simple leaves and the pith was wrong.

 

[daveomak]

Did you click on the 2 links I provided ??

 

[tropics]

 

[lancep]

Did you click on the 2 links I provided ??

I checked out all three. Thank you for those. Figuring all the different trees out here is exhausting.

 

[chopsaw]

Look at the link Dave sent for elm . Scroll down to leaves. One of the examples matches what you posted . Staggered on the branch and serated.

 

[cliffcarter]

IMHO it is some type of ash, the leaves and bark look good for ash and in your third photo I can see the seed cases hanging among the leaves that are similar to what ash trees produce.

Might be this one, it is found in Mississippi-

http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=475

 

[shyzabrau]

IMHO it is some type of ash, the leaves and bark look good for ash and in your third photo I can see the seed cases hanging among the leaves that are similar to what ash trees produce.
Might be this one, it is found in Mississippi-

http://dendro.cnre.vt.edu/dendrology/syllabus/factsheet.cfm?ID=475

Nope. Ash leaflets are opposite not alternate.

 

[dave schiller]

I can say with 100% confidence that the tree is an elm.  Based on leaf shape, it could be Winged Elm (Ulmus alata).  Or American Elm (Ulmus americana), although the leaves are shaped more like Winged Elm.  Do some of the larger twigs have flattened "wings" along them?  That would be the final answer.  Either way, it's an elm and not an ash.