Sleep...or more appropriately lack of...

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For the past couple of years I have been on a testosterone replacement regiment. Every other Tuesday I stick a needle in one of my thighs. Got tired of sticking myself....and was a bit curious to see if the "juice" was even helping. So I decided to skip an injection. Big mistake. That was definitely contributing to me being so out of it. Still not sleeping but at least I can sorta focus on things now. I really feel that testosterone is not the only thing out of kilter hormone wise. Doc does a full blood test on me 3 or 4 times a year. Everything, thyroid included, is "normal". While he agreed with me that what is normal may not be optimum that is as far as we have ever gotten. He has referred, or tried to, me to an endocrinologist the few that are in the area will not see me. Pretty much the only folks they will see is diabetics who have bad a1c numbers...very frustrating.....
 
It sounds like you have tried just about everything that Western Medicine has to offer.

Please hang in there.I am Diabetic and the high blood sugar sure messes with a lot

stuff in the body. I do my best to keep positive. Don't give up with the doctors and give

meditation a try.It will help clear your mind and get you relaxed. Look  into your community

calender of activities where meditation sessions are being held.Your local newspaper might

be a start. I meditate about once a week and it has helped me to start look within myself for some of the answers I am looking for,not to mention it dose help me relax too.Plus I was so

glad I could meditate sitting comfortably in a chair.Hope this helps.

                                                                                                   Smokin Sid
 
 
It sounds like you have tried just about everything that Western Medicine has to offer.

Please hang in there.I am Diabetic and the high blood sugar sure messes with a lot

stuff in the body. I do my best to keep positive. Don't give up with the doctors and give

meditation a try.It will help clear your mind and get you relaxed. Look  into your community

calender of activities where meditation sessions are being held.Your local newspaper might

be a start. I meditate about once a week and it has helped me to start look within myself for some of the answers I am looking for,not to mention it dose help me relax too.Plus I was so

glad I could meditate sitting comfortably in a chair.Hope this helps.

                                                                                                   Smokin Sid
Thanks Sid. The real problem is the bi-polar bs...at least I think it is. Need to find the box that has all the incense and candles in it. Hope I can get into the right state of mind....which is why I stopped meditating years back.

Not going to give up on my doc. He is at least honest with me. Get so tired of docs claiming that they have the fix. Ended up seeing an ENT ti have him look into my congestion troubles. Said my deviated septum was to blame. Had him fix it. Took me 3 times longer than what he said it was going to for me to heal. Was going in bi-weekly to have take a look up my nose....final result....just as congested as I was. It is what it is....
 
Have you tried the usual drink milk before bedtime trick? Or, if you're the type of person who always stay indoors, watching reruns on netflix, just being completely unproductive, try to do sports or something active. I always, always avoid going to the bedroom unless I'm going to sleep, get clothes, or, uh, do something else. Itll be hard for you to beat it since it has basically become a routine of some sorts for you, but that's not to say that beating it is impossible.


Cooking is like gambling,  you never know what you'll get.
 
 
Have you tried the usual drink milk before bedtime trick? Or, if you're the type of person who always stay indoors, watching reruns on netflix, just being completely unproductive, try to do sports or something active. I always, always avoid going to the bedroom unless I'm going to sleep, get clothes, or, uh, do something else. Itll be hard for you to beat it since it has basically become a routine of some sorts for you, but that's not to say that beating it is impossible.


Cooking is like gambling,  you never know what you'll get.
Only been dealing with this crap for 35 years....now why haven't I thought of a glass of warm milk???

As to the rest of your comment.....

was very active for years. Weights, running and hiking. Unlike some lucky souls who never have anything happen to them physically I have. Thanks to 18 years of repetitive motion jobs....(sadly I did not wear a foreskin retainer, aka tie, and sit behind a desk)...I am riddled with arthritis. I tore the tendons off of my elbow way back playing baseball. Tore my bicep tendon on my left side. Have a bone spur in the clavicle joint, it is in an area where getting to it is going to just cause me more trouble then what I have. Know about this spur thanks to a surgeon going  into my shoulder to remove another spur. So even if I wanted to play baseball or softball....well.....the throwing motion makes tendons slide across the clavicle spur...needless to say what that feels like.

You know what a physiatrist is?

[h5]Physiatrists, or rehabilitation physicians, are nerve, muscle, and bone experts who treat injuries or illnesses that affect how you move[/h5]
Rehabilitation physicians are medical doctors who have completed training in the medical specialty of physical medicine and rehabilitation (PM&R). Specifically, rehabilitation physicians:
  • Diagnose and treat pain
  • Restore maximum function lost through injury, illness or disabling conditions
  • Treat the whole person, not just the problem area
  • Lead a team of medical professionals
  • Provide non-surgical treatments
  • Explain your medical problems and treatment/prevention plan
The job of a rehabilitation physician is to treat any disability resulting from disease or injury, from sore shoulders to spinal cord injuries. The focus is on the development of a comprehensive program for putting the pieces of a person's life back together after injury or disease – without surgery.

My doc sent me to see one in an attempt to come up with an exercise program. He gave me a quick exam and went and looked at all my films. Told me that I have stenosis going on in an area that spans 5 or so of my discs. I also have degenerative disc disease in the rest of them....which will lead to stenosis sooner or later.

Informed me that I am one fall away from a chair. When asked about lifting weights, running etc he just laughed at me. Told me that any sort of impact exercise is only going to make things worse. Also suggested that I put any thoughts of weight training out of my head.

His suggestion was a treadmill....with no incline. Walking up/down any hill damn near brings tears to my eyes. He also suggested a seated elliptical. Of which I have both and alternate between the two of the.

Seeing as how I can only stand for a brief period without the pain ramping up severely pretty much any type of exercise is almost impossible.

Sleep problem is not caused by any of this.....well some nights the pain does keep me up. The sleep problem is caused by me being bipolar...with psychotic tendencies. Mixed in with that is a pretty good dose of paranoia. I am one of the many mentally ill folks who can not be medicated. Anti-depressants in someone like me just trigger manic episodes. I need a cocktail of mood stabilizers & antidepressants. I can't handle the mood stabilizers...suffer from damn near every side effect of them.

It is what it is. I don't expect folks like you...the ones that have never stepped in a pile of dog s**t in there life....the lucky folks who are mentally healthy and thanks to either bring genetically gifted and/or just flat out lucky to not develop all sorts of physical troubles......to understand what this is like. I also have become sort of numb to the folks who say I don't "look" bipolar. Or worse yet, the folks that tell me to drink a glass of milk, take melatonin etc.

Like I said, this has been going on for 35 years. Been down the self medicating road more than once. Tried all sorts of OTC sleep aids....prescription sleep aids. Tried the natural way to treat all this crap. None of it works. Simple as that.

Not a day goes by that I don't think of suicide. Pretty much a standard thought in that spinning disaster in my head. On many of the roads I drive there are 40 foot drops on either side, very few with guard rails. One of the thoughts that I can pick out is if I were to steer my vehicle into one of these drop offs would it be enough to kill me.

Seems like every time I try to talk about this on one of these forums I run into this type of nonsense. Drink a glass of milk....get up and exercise it will help you sleep. Then when I try to explain why I can't I often feel like I am getting judged...did I mention I suffer from a pretty good case of paranoia?

But like I said....it is what it is......
 
Wow !!  You have a lot going on to deal with on a daily basis. Sound like you have a great relationship with you Doctor. Sometimes a fresh set of eyes can help. 

Gary
 
Her rheumatologist called today, now the protein marker that is monitored for RA is elevated.
 
Have you tried the usual drink milk before bedtime trick? Or, if you're the type of person who always stay indoors, watching reruns on netflix, just being completely unproductive, try to do sports or something active. I always, always avoid going to the bedroom unless I'm going to sleep, get clothes, or, uh, do something else. Itll be hard for you to beat it since it has basically become a routine of some sorts for you, but that's not to say that beating it is impossible.


Cooking is like gambling, you never know what you'll get.
haha indeed cooking is just like gambling man
 
Only been dealing with this crap for 35 years....now why haven't I thought of a glass of warm milk???

As to the rest of your comment.....

was very active for years. Weights, running and hiking. Unlike some lucky souls who never have anything happen to them physically I have. Thanks to 18 years of repetitive motion jobs....(sadly I did not wear a foreskin retainer, aka tie, and sit behind a desk)...I am riddled with arthritis. I tore the tendons off of my elbow way back playing baseball. Tore my bicep tendon on my left side. Have a bone spur in the clavicle joint, it is in an area where getting to it is going to just cause me more trouble then what I have. Know about this spur thanks to a surgeon going into my shoulder to remove another spur. So even if I wanted to play baseball or softball....well.....the throwing motion makes tendons slide across the clavicle spur...needless to say what that feels like.

You know what a physiatrist is?

[h5]Physiatrists, or rehabilitation physicians, are nerve, muscle, and bone experts who treat injuries or illnesses that affect how you move[/h5]
Rehabilitation physicians are medical doctors who have completed training in the medical specialty of physical medicine and rehabilitation (PM&R). Specifically, rehabilitation physicians:
  • Diagnose and treat pain
  • Restore maximum function lost through injury, illness or disabling conditions
  • Treat the whole person, not just the problem area
  • Lead a team of medical professionals
  • Provide non-surgical treatments
  • Explain your medical problems and treatment/prevention plan
The job of a rehabilitation physician is to treat any disability resulting from disease or injury, from sore shoulders to spinal cord injuries. The focus is on the development of a comprehensive program for putting the pieces of a person's life back together after injury or disease – without surgery.

My doc sent me to see one in an attempt to come up with an exercise program. He gave me a quick exam and went and looked at all my films. Told me that I have stenosis going on in an area that spans 5 or so of my discs. I also have degenerative disc disease in the rest of them....which will lead to stenosis sooner or later.

Informed me that I am one fall away from a chair. When asked about lifting weights, running etc he just laughed at me. Told me that any sort of impact exercise is only going to make things worse. Also suggested that I put any thoughts of weight training out of my head.

His suggestion was a treadmill....with no incline. Walking up/down any hill damn near brings tears to my eyes. He also suggested a seated elliptical. Of which I have both and alternate between the two of the.

Seeing as how I can only stand for a brief period without the pain ramping up severely pretty much any type of exercise is almost impossible.

Sleep problem is not caused by any of this.....well some nights the pain does keep me up. The sleep problem is caused by me being bipolar...with psychotic tendencies. Mixed in with that is a pretty good dose of paranoia. I am one of the many mentally ill folks who can not be medicated. Anti-depressants in someone like me just trigger manic episodes. I need a cocktail of mood stabilizers & antidepressants. I can't handle the mood stabilizers...suffer from damn near every side effect of them.

It is what it is. I don't expect folks like you...the ones that have never stepped in a pile of dog s**t in there life....the lucky folks who are mentally healthy and thanks to either bring genetically gifted and/or just flat out lucky to not develop all sorts of physical troubles......to understand what this is like. I also have become sort of numb to the folks who say I don't "look" bipolar. Or worse yet, the folks that tell me to drink a glass of milk, take melatonin etc.

Like I said, this has been going on for 35 years. Been down the self medicating road more than once. Tried all sorts of OTC sleep aids....prescription sleep aids. Tried the natural way to treat all this crap. None of it works. Simple as that.

Not a day goes by that I don't think of suicide. Pretty much a standard thought in that spinning disaster in my head. On many of the roads I drive there are 40 foot drops on either side, very few with guard rails. One of the thoughts that I can pick out is if I were to steer my vehicle into one of these drop offs would it be enough to kill me.

Seems like every time I try to talk about this on one of these forums I run into this type of nonsense. Drink a glass of milk....get up and exercise it will help you sleep. Then when I try to explain why I can't I often feel like I am getting judged...did I mention I suffer from a pretty good case of paranoia?

But like I said....it is what it is......
It’s tough when you ask for input and criticize what you get. This is a forum for smoking. The people here have great advice on smokers, smoking meats, etc. They are even willing to offer suggestions for you on a sleep issue, but don’t be critical when that advice doesn’t solve a complex medical problem.
 
I'll be honest here, I suffer from Severe Anxiety and related panic attacks, which I know are far from being Bipolar, but it somewhat similarly affects my sleep (or lack thereof). I had chronic insomnia for nearly 15 years, falling asleep at wheel driving TO work in the am, sleeping in my car at lunch to catch up - the whole nine yards.

I tried every medicine they offered, most didn't work, those that did worked awhile then stopped being effective after a period of time. I gave up and suffered for quite some time.

Now, I have been sleeping like a baby for nearly 5 years - and couldn't be happier with the results. What was the magic answer? Many won't like or agree with this answer, but it was good ole fashioned Mary Jane, aka the chronic. I'm not a smoker so it consumed via an edible, 1-1.5 hours before bed. I take many meds for diabetes, anxiety, cholesterol, and blood pressure and it has had no negative impact there.

Certainly not the answer for everyone, but it worked for me.
 
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