Old Plantation Seasoning question

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Motorguy

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I've been trying all sorts of beef snack stick seasoning recipes and just haven't found the right one yet. I've seen a number of posts about how good the Legg's Old Plantation Seasoning #116 is so I ordered a bag. Here's the question. I like some tang and I'm thinking of adding some ECA to the mix. I think that would work better in this case than Bactofirm.  Does anyone have a recommendation on how much ECA per pound would be a good start?

Thanks.
 
AC Legg #116 still remains my favorite blend for a base mix.  I do doctor it up some, and ECA works great with this. 

One important thing to not is which ECA you are using.  Different brands have different amount recommendations.  I'll give info on the Butcher & Packer ECA and the LEM ECA:
  • B&P ECA is recommended at 1.5 ounces for 25 pounds of meat.  That is also 42.5 grams for 25 pounds of meat which works out to be 1.7 grams per pound. 
  • LEM ECA on the other hand is recommended at 3 ounces for 25 pounds of meat.  That works out to 85 grams for 25 pounds which is 3.4 grams per pound.
I have been using up the LEM ECA I have on hand and next I have B&P that I recently received. I don't know if the actual concentration is different and they just recommend different starting levels or if the B&P is actually more concentrated (I have not used the B&P yet).  So I would recommend you start with the amount recommended for your particular brand.

I also like to add some jalapeno powder to increase the heat & flavor in my sticks using #116.  It has more flavor and is milder than using cayenne.  Here is a thread on some I made a while back with #116 and ECA (I used LEM ECA at 3.4 grams per pound).  I also added honey in this batch, but lately I've not been using honey as I'm not so much into sweet sticks, but they were good with honey.

http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/...16-with-some-additions-to-crank-it-up-a-notch

I think you will like #116 and ECA.
 
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ECA for me is 1/2tsp per pound of meat. To much and your mix will turn white and nasty.

ENCAPSULATED CITRIC ACID: Use encapsulated citric acid when making summer sausage or snack sticks and that distinctive “tang”, associated with reduce pH, is desired but the lengthy fermentation cycle is not. When used correctly, it is almost impossible to tell if the sausage was manufactured by fermentation or by the use of this product. There is no need to worry about processing under special conditions. You just add the citric acid to the meat at end of the mixing process (making sure that you do not grind meat again), and then blend into the meat by hand or by mixer. If using a meat mixer, mix only until the encapsulated citric acid is blended into the meat mix, usually about one minute is sufficient. Longer mixing can cause the capsules to rupture resulting in the premature release of the citric acid. Encapsulated citric acid is citric acid, a naturally occurring acid that has been encapsulated (coated) with maltodexrine, a hydrogenated vegetable oil, which will melt at 141-147 degrees F. releasing the citric acid into the meat product. This prevents the citric acid from releasing and prematurely lowering the ph of your sausage meat mix. If the meat’s ph drops before the protein sets at 105-115 degrees you will get a negative effect on the texture of your finished sausage. It won't bind as well and the texture will be crumbly. Encapsulated citric acid should be added and mixed in after the grinding is complete as not to rupture the capsules. Since the encapsulation prevents release into the meat until the meat’s internal temperature reaches 141-147 degrees F. a ruptured or damaged capsule will release the citric acid prematurely causing the undesired affects listed above. Once the capsule is melted releasing the citric acid into the product decrease in pH is achieved resulting in the distinctive "tang" or sour taste associated with reduced pH products. Suggested usage for this purpose is 3 oz. for 25 lb. of meat.

(Too much Citric Acid will cause the meat to turn white.) Also use to preserve color of fresh sausage during storage. Use 1/2 oz. to 1 oz. per 100 lb. of meat for this purpose.
 
Rick (NEPAS) hit some very important points on using ECA.

ECA is not difficult to use and it's just like mixing in any other spice ingredient if you remember the above tips. Just go gentle on the mixing and mix at the last minuted.  I think you will like the results.
 
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Rick (NEPAS) hit some very important points on using ECA.

ECA is not difficult to use and it's just like mixing in any other spice ingredient if you remember the above tips. Just go gentle on the mixing and mix at the last minuted.  I think you will like the results.
One other question then. Normally when I make beef sticks, I mix and stuff, then refrigerate overnight to let things kind of blend. When using the Old Plantation #116 with added ECA, would I follow that process or should I put them on the smoker right away?
 
 
One other question then. Normally when I make beef sticks, I mix and stuff, then refrigerate overnight to let things kind of blend. When using the Old Plantation #116 with added ECA, would I follow that process or should I put them on the smoker right away?
If your going to fridge the mixed meat, dont add the ECA. Mix the ECA after the fridge then stuff and smoke.
 
 
One other question then. Normally when I make beef sticks, I mix and stuff, then refrigerate overnight to let things kind of blend. When using the Old Plantation #116 with added ECA, would I follow that process or should I put them on the smoker right away?
Yes, X2 on what Rick said.  That is how I do it.

Mix meat with spices and cure and refrigerate overnight. Then just before stuffing and smoking, add a little more water to loosen the meat back up and then gently hand mix in the ECA, stuff and smoke. .
 
 
If your going to fridge the mixed meat, dont add the ECA. Mix the ECA after the fridge then stuff and smoke.
​Thanks Nepas. I normally haven't used ECA in snack sticks so stuffing and refrigerating isn't an issue. I thought I had read that ECA has to be added right before stuffing and smoking so I appreciate the confirmation.  Tomorrow will be the day.

Thanks to all that responded.

JSK
 
As promised, today was the day to try the Old Plantation #116.  While I didn't do a Q view, I did take a shot of the end product out of the smoker.  Bottom line, we love the seasoning mix and I am sold on this as the "go to" beef stick mix. The help with the ECA amount was spot on and the suggestion to just mix, stuff and go was the right thing.  We have a new favorite!  


Another successful smoke with help from my friends here on the forum.
 
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