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Just wanted to add, after many many years of waiting, we now have Hofmann's German, all Beef and Snappy Grillers here in Fort Worth, Tx.! Oneida Foods made good their promise and we are blessed with them now! I was born and brought up near Watertown, NY, my dad owned a grocery store in Adams Center called Fassett's Quality Foods and we carried Hofmann's in the bulk box. Moved here at age 46, 15 yrs ago, and could only get them mail order. Now, Albertson's carry them nationwide! Just had one yesterday for lunch, what a pleasure!