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The 200ppm nitrite in true dry-cured bacon wasn't mentioned simply because that's not the way that most folks cure their bacon, in the same way that most folks don't make dry-cured country ham either.



~Martin
Please point out where in the USDA or other documentation you use, it defines " TRUE " Dry-Cured Bacon verses Dry-Cured Bacon...In Both the USDA Fact Sheet on Bacon and the USDA Inspectors Handbook there is no use of the word TRUE but is clear on what the definition of Dry-Cured Bacon is. I agree with you about the larger amounts of Cure 625ppm being for whole muscle like Country Hams that will hang for months. Below is an excerpt from the Fact Sheet and Handbook. It says the Bacon at 200ppm, may be left to hang for up to 2 weeks...Less if going to smoke. 


 http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Factsheets/Bacon_and_Food_Safety/index.asp#11

What are the methods of curing bacon?
There are two primary methods of curing bacon: pumping and dry curing. Although less frequently used, FSIS still receives label applications for immersion-cured bacon.

"Pumped" bacon has curing ingredients that are injected directly into the meat to speed up the curing process and add bulk. This type of mass-produced bacon is held for curing for 6 to 24 hours before being heated. If not properly drained, pumped bacon can exude white liquid during frying.

"Dry-cured" bacon has a premeasured amount of cure mixture applied or rubbed onto the bacon belly surfaces, completely covering them. Additional cure may be rubbed in over a number of days, but the amount of added sodium nitrite cannot exceed 200 parts per million (ppm).  After the curing phase, the bacon may be left to hang for up to 2 weeks in order for the moisture to be drawn out. Less time is needed if it is going to be smoked.  Because of the lengthy processing time and labor required, dry-cured bacon is more expensive than the more mass-produced, pumped bacon.

"Immersion-cured" bacon is placed in a brine solution containing salt, nitrite, and flavoring material or in a container with salt, nitrite, and flavoring material for 2 to 3 days. Sugar, honey, or maple syrup may be added to the brine. The meat must then be left to hang until it is cured.

 

How much nitrite can be used in curing bacon?
The USDA is responsible for monitoring the proper use of nitrite by meat processors. While sodium nitrite cannot exceed 200 ppm going into dry-cured bacon, sodium nitrite cannot exceed 120 ppm for both pumped and immersion-cured bacon.
 

Additionally from the USDA Inspectors Hand Book...

http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OPPDE/rdad/FSISDirectives/7620-3.pdf

Ingredient Limits

<  Pumped and/or Massaged Bacon (rind-off):  An amount of 120 ppm sodium

nitrite (or 148 ppm potassium nitrite), ingoing, is required in pumped and/or massaged bacon,

except that 100 ppm sodium nitrite (or 123 ppm potassium nitrite) is permitted with an

appropriate partial quality control program, and except that 40 - 80 ppm sodium nitrite (or 49 -

99 ppm potassium nitrite) is permitted if sugar and a lactic acid starter culture are used.  550 ppm

sodium ascorbate or sodium erythorbate (isoascorbate), ingoing, is required in pumped and

massaged bacon, in addition to any prescribed amount of nitrite.

<  Immersion Cured Bacon (rind-off):  A maximum of 120 ppm of nitrite or

equivalent of potassium nitrite (148 ppm) can be used in immersion cured bacon.  Note:  the

calculation method for nitrite in immersion cured bacon is the same as that for nitrite in other

immersion cured products. Refer to pages 21-24.

<  Dry Cured Bacon (rind-off):  A maximum of 200 ppm of nitrite or equivalent of

potassium nitrite (246 ppm) can be used in dry cured bacon.  Note:  the calculation method for

nitrite in dry cured bacon is the same as that for nitrite in other dry cured products. Refer to

pages 24-27.

<  Pumped, Massaged, Immersion Cured, or Dry Cured Bacon (rind-on):  The

maximum limit for ingoing nitrite and sodium ascorbate or sodium erythorbate must be adjusted if

bacon is prepared from pork bellies with attached skin (rind-on). A pork belly's weight is

comprised of approximately 10 percent skin. Since the skin retains practically no cure solution or

cure agent, the maximum ingoing nitrite and sodium ascorbate or erythorbate limits must be

reduced by 10 percent. For example, the maximum ingoing limit for nitrite and sodium ascorbate

or erythorbate for pumped pork bellies with attached skin would be 108 ppm [120 ppm  !  12 ppm

(120 × .10)] and 495 ppm [550 ppm  !  55 ppm (550 × .10)], respectively

I did Google search for Southern Country Bacon and Country Bacon then Home Cured Southern Country Bacon and don't get a single Recipe that calls for a long cure/drying time. Unless there is a Salt Only cure or a the application of Cure #2 and a long dry time, I have to presume the following applies because the USDA's 200ppm only applies up to 2 weeks of dry time...

[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I[/font]f for what ever reason one was to choose to apply a dry cure and then hang their Bacon for more than 2 weeks up to several months, as in whole muscle curing like Hams including Poultry and what I assume you are referring to as Southern Country Bacon , then by the documentation from the Handbook the cure should be applied multiple times...and...at a MAX of 625ppm to provide a sufficient level of nitrite. Lesser amounts may be sufficient but not discussed for dry cures lasting more than 2 weeks...Why would this not be true? 

 I agree with you regarding 2tsp Cure #1 for a 5lb Belly would be excessive with the most come curing instructions...Please answer these...

In the Rulman recipe adapted from Charcuterie he does call for 2tsp Cure #1 for 5lbs of Belly but Heats the Belly to an IT of 150*F or suggests hanging it in the Basement or Kitchen for 1 week like Pancetta Tesa. Could this be a him Covering His Ass?...

From the Bradley Smokers Forum for Maple Cured Bacon (the only Bacon Recipe not using a Mix or pure Saltpeter) it too calls for 2tsp Cure #1 for 5lbs. Does their recommendation to Smoke/Cook the Bacon to 150*F have any effect on the residual Nitrite?

I am not looking for a Pissing Match but I do want to get this all in perspective since it concerns the safety of our members...JJ
 
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I know what "TRUE" dry cured (dry aged) bacon is.... 3-9 months hanging in a cool location with air circulation....  I would assume the FSIS doesn't directly address this style of making bacon is... it's labor intensive, ties up capital for extended periods, and meat packing, curing houses can't afford to make bacon this way.... It would be too expensive....  You and I couldn't afford to buy it....

There are members on this forum that make bacon using the "old world" methods except they use cure to be safe.... and they smoke their bacon for 30 ish days..... 

I think you misinterpreted what DiggingDogFarm was trying to communicate...
 
Hi Dave... I can assume that Martin is referring toTrue as in what guys are doing in the South with Hams this is Dry Aged but it really then becomes confusing to reference " True " and  " Dry Cured " in the same statements as or when referring to USDA Regs. The Only definition the USDA has for Dry Cured Bacon is Dry Ingredients including Cure #1 at a max of 200ppm with a Dry time up to 2 weeks. So I am just asking for a specific USDA, FDA Definition or for that matter a Definition from Anyone outside of SMF as to what " True" Dry Cured Bacon is. This is not any kind of challenge to you either but when you say, " [color= rgb(24, 24, 24)]I know what "TRUE" dry cured (dry aged) bacon is.... 3-9 months hanging in a cool location with air circulation...You know this based on what? Do you have a recipe? As I said Google gave me Zip. Maybe some thing you read on-line? Anything other then a reference to, If it is Dry Rubbed with a Cure it's Dry Cured Bacon but if it's Hung to Dry for several Months it's TRUE Dry Cured Bacon... I just can't find any documentation to support this. I even searched," Recipe for Dry Aged Bacon " and Nothing no recipes and no reference to True Dry Aged Bacon...Very Frustrating...JJ[/color]
 
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Since nitrites disipate rather quickly, how safe would it be to make "True" dry aged bacon? You can't use nitrates in bacon as you do in other dry aged meats. I would really like to calculate the water activity level to see if you can get to a shelf stable level before the 200 ppm of nitrite dissipates. Also, 120 ppm as stated by Martin is the minimum not the maximum.
 
@Dave-- I am pretty sure the USDA set the limit at 200 ppm, based for dry cured bacon, not "true dry aged" bacon. Their description seems pretty clear, hang for up to two weeks.
 
I can't remember where I read it...... The 200 (maximun) cure is divided into 2-3 applications, applied at certain intervals so there is always nitrite available for curing during the hanging, drying, aging process, while the nitrite penetrates the meat....  One application of nitrite to thick pieces of meat isn't a good idea...  We do have to be very careful in this discussion as different meats, temperatures etc have different rates, times etc for curing etc.... crossing ideas and methods could be dangerous..  When it comes to curing, there are no "generally speaking" recipes.... Each person who reads this thread, or others, can and probably will interpret it differently that the author intended...

I notice that situation regularly on here....  Hey, If it saves one person from making a mistake when curing.... It's worth the long, arduous discussion...
 
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I can't remember where I read it...... The 200 (maximun) cure is divided into 2-3 applications, applied at certain intervals so there is always nitrite available for curing during the hanging, drying, aging process, while the nitrite penetrates the meat....  One application of nitrite to thick pieces of meat isn't a good idea...  We do have to be very careful in this discussion as different meats, temperatures etc have different rates, times etc for curing etc.... crossing ideas and methods could be dangerous..  When it comes to curing, there are no "generally speaking" recipes.... Each person who reads this thread, or others, can and probably will interpret it differently that the author intended...

I notice that situation regularly on here....  Hey, If it saves one person from making a mistake when curing.... It's worth the long, arduous discussion...
I Totally agree! My last batch of Bacon I applied all the Dry Curing Mix 1 time stacked the three pieces in a plastic container and turn/flipped them every couple of days for 14 days. Two of the Three were Sour after the a Ten hour smoke and a four day rest in a Refer that is rarely opened. I can only attribute this to not following the directions to add the Cure in Three Stages. 

Proper nomenclature is important so we are all talking the same language. We have all discussed this before...http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/124452/confusing-dry-curing-with-dry-curing and then too you pointed out adding Cure in stages along with hanging to dry, but there too was no specifics for Dry Curing or Dry Aging Bacon longer than the 2 weeks specified by the USDA. Even they don't reference what to do if you need or want to Hang/Dry Age longer than 2 weeks. That is why I am asking for more documentation from you, Martin or anyone. Do we keep applying a 200ppm Mix? How may times? How often? For how long? Or Do we now treat the Belly like Whole Muscle and apply the Cure Mix at 625ppm? And again, How often? For how long?...Etc...Etc...JJ
 
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I guess I have chosen to take the easy way out by using Morton's Tender Quick[emoji]174[/emoji] when making bacon with excellent results. The procedure is, halve a side, put recommended amount of cure on, place each in separate two gallon zip bags, lay flat on racks not stacked and rotate daily for two weeks. They are then rinsed, equalized for two days, cold smoked for 72 hours and then hung in cooler again for 3-4 days before being packaged.

From what I read from responsible resources, when curing meat, the cure for 7 days per inch of thickness is pretty much standard. Could it be that most bacon around here anyway is two inches or less thick, it is where the two week cure time comes from?

Hopefully, this does not add to the confusion as it is not my intent.

Tom
 
Tom, I have yet to get any Belly over 2 inches from my Grocery Store Butcher, most likely uses a large scale packer. But I would imagine sourcing Heritage Hog Bellies from a local Farm could prove to have thicker Bellies. One of these days I will invest the Big $$$ for a Mangalitsa Hog Belly, I understand 4+ inches thick is not unusual...
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...JJ
 
I'm not going to argue.
The word "true" is mine to differentiate between someone applying a dry cure mix and curing bacon short term (like MOST people do) as opposed to dry cured bacon, like southern country bacon....I already pointed that out above.
Stop and think about it for a minute, why would the terms "dry cured" mean two different things in the manual?
A retired inspector confirmed to me that the 200ppm nitrite is limited to "dry cured" bacon.
You won't find a specific procedure outlined, just as you won't find a specific procedure outlined for many other dry-cured meats.
In the case of southern country bacon, some maker's don't use any nitrite, and they all do things a bit different, I think that's another reason why you won't find many specifics.
Once the bacon reaches a certain water activity level, it's safe to continue hanging.
Remember , the Inspector's Manual isn't intended for the general public.

As always, do as you wish.

Benton's Dry-Cured Country Bacon.......

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~Martin
 
Martin, I was not looking for an argument either. I understand what you are trying to do and simply wanted to know if your use of the words " True Dry Cured Bacon " was used anywhere beyond your choice of words to differentiate between Bacon Dry Cured/Dry Aged and Bacon Dry Cured with Dry Ingredients as I could not find any reference to it in any USDA posting or any specific Recipe ( I guess Mr. Benton isn't going to Share either!). It would seem USDA " Curing " Guidelines are not Black and White with the exception of Maximum amounts of Cure. There is some wiggle room between Min and Max amounts of Cure depending on several variables. Along those same lines, USDA " Temperature " Guidelines are not Black and White either. There are Gray areas where other variables come into play. I hope we all can agree that when it comes to Curing and Food Safety we all must be vigilant to fill in the vague, unclear or gray areas but there still may be individual interpretation...JJ
 
I finally found some extra time to quote the handbook.

The handbook is fairly clear about what is meant by "Dry Cured" and far as the 200 ppm nitrite limit in bacon goes, it's obvious that it's not a short term cure like most folks do.

Page 28:

INGREDIENT LIMITS

Dry Cured Bacon (rind-off): A maximum of 200 ppm of nitrite or equivalent of
potassium nitrite (246 ppm) can be used in dry cured bacon. Note: the calculation method for
nitrite in dry cured bacon is the same as that for nitrite in other dry cured products
. Refer to
pages 24-27.


Page 24:

NITRITE USED IN DRY CURED PRODUCTS

The amount of ingoing nitrite used in dry cured products, such as country ham, country style pork
shoulder, prosciutto, etc., is based on the green weight of the meat or poultry in the product
formulation. These products are prepared from a single intact piece of meat or poultry that has
had the curing ingredients directly applied to the surface, and has been [COLOR=#red]dried for a specified period
of time.
[/COLOR] For large pieces of meat, the curing ingredients must be rubbed on the surface several
times during the curing period. The rubbed meat or poultry cuts are placed on racks or in boxes
and allowed to cure. Nitrite is applied to the surface of the meat or poultry as part of a cure
mixture.


~Martin
 
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In the Rulman recipe adapted from Charcuterie he does call for 2tsp Cure #1 for 5lbs of Belly but Heats the Belly to an IT of 150*F or suggests hanging it in the Basement or Kitchen for 1 week like Pancetta Tesa. Could this be a him Covering His Ass?...

 
From the Bradley Smokers Forum for Maple Cured Bacon (the only Bacon Recipe not using a Mix or pure Saltpeter) it too calls for 2tsp Cure #1 for 5lbs. Does their recommendation to Smoke/Cook the Bacon to 150*F have any effect on the residual Nitrite?
 

Sorry I missed this until now.

The affect that the heat would have on the bacon is unpredictable.
It does affect it some ,but there's no way too know for sure how much without testing.
Do we put 2 tsp. of Cure #1 in sausage because smoking to 150 degrees may decrease the amount of nitrite?
No, of course not!
It doesn't make any sense.


They both are good examples of bad curing technique, it's as simple as that.


~Martin
 
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