I haven't made them in a while, but I've been thinking about whipping up a batch. If I remember right, they take quite a long time, although I don't remember the exact amount of time. I use Jeff's rub, but I prefer a less sweeter rub on my beef, so I cut down the amount of brown sugar. They are wrapped in foil once they get to a certain temp, but you'l have to search the forums to get the best times/temps. After the foil, I firm them back up for a few minutes on the grill. Good luck!