this was my first time making either so i fallowed some recipes but changed a few things. i am testing the rub now. i used stevecylka's dry rub recipe but changed a few things like added garlic powder and took away mustard mostly because i didnt have any. i am testing it on baked chicken now. will add more qview of it later. the sauce is to thin still since i ran out of ketchup i will add more sat at the bbq at my moms but maybe it will thickin up by then never know. here is the recipe i fallowed as a guide line but also added more minced garlic and a little more garlic powder along with what ketchup i had at my house and some sweet soy sauce. Barbecue Sauce: 2 cups apple cider vinegar 2 tablespoons crushed red pepper 1 tablespoon garlic powder 1/2 tablespoon kosher salt 1 tablespoon freshly ground black pepper Let it mellow for a few days. now for the q-view i will report back with more pics and how it tasted. i hope it came out good. if this is the wrong section feel free to move it.