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Arizona13B

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I am going to smoke my first brisket this weekend, I'm curious if you guys think I am missing anything. This is my first time smoking anything so I'm a little anxious. Haha

Here's everything I have so far:
Mailbox Mod setup
AMZN pellet tray
Dual thermometers
Pink butcher paper
Foil
Cooler
Meat injector


Am I missing anything I may need ? Also I have a few questions.
1. Can someone point me in the direction of a good brisket recipe? I have seen so many online, but am having troubles finding any on this site and I trust you all more. Haha

2. To inject or not inject ? Why ?

3. Do you use smoke the entire time or just X amount of hours ?

4. Do you use the Texas Crutch ?

5. How open do you have the vents on top of your MES? Is this only for temperature control ?

6. Also what store bought sauces do you recommend that I can pickup from a major grocery store ?




Thank you to everyone! I can't wait for this weekend !
 
Hey! Welcome!

Have you "broken in" your new smoker yet? When a smoker is brand new there are often residues of lubricants used when forming metal, and other things that can off-gas and deposit on your food giving it a nasty flavor and potentially be toxic

So you should run the smoker at a high temperature for five hours or more to burn off those residues before using it for food.

Also, you'll need to test and adjust your pellet burner and its mailbox along with its "plumbing" to get a feel for how that will all work, so running all of that as a test will also be vital.

Getting everything figured out and adjusted takes time and a lot of trial and error, so after the initial high temperature burn-in, I'd recommend testing the mailbox and pellet burner rig with the empty smoker set to the actual temperature at which you'll be smoking the meat.

The draft is affected by the temperature of the smoker because the higher the temperature, the lower the density of the air, and the lower the ambient temperature, the higher its density will be. So the draft will depend on the difference in temperature between the inside of the smoker and the ambient air temperature. Thus, all of your vent settings will depend on ambient air temperature and smoker temperature, humidity, etc.

This just takes some experience to get a good "feel" for.

Also, it isn't a bad thing to establish a layer of smoke residue inside of the mailbox, its piping, and the smoker itself because that layer of residue will affect the way things run by changing the thermal emissivity and (due to the law of reciprocity) the thermal absorption characteristics of all of these the surfaces. And that will change the way things heat up, are cooled, the draft, etc, too!

I like to have my equipment well seasoned so that these characteristics do not change during the course of a smoke run. Other folks may prefer things to be spotless, but it seems counterproductive to me because I like to keep as many variables constant as possible.

I do advise you to practice a lot with or without food in the system. Never count on success when using new equipment. Have a backup meal ready to use if the smoker doesn't work out. There's no need to put any pressure on yourself to make it work right the first time.

This all just takes some experimentation because everyone's setup and conditions are a bit different.
 
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Here's everything I have so far:
Mailbox Mod setup
AMZN pellet tray
Dual thermometers
Pink butcher paper
Foil
Cooler
Meat injector


What smoker are you using?

How is your mailbox attached to the AMZN pellet tray?

How will your ventilate and control the ventilation through the mailbox?

Got any photos of your setup?


Am I missing anything I may need ? Also I have a few questions.
1. Can someone point me in the direction of a good brisket recipe? I have seen so many online, but am having troubles finding any on this site and I trust you all more. Haha

Man, there are some great ones on here! I use a basic dry rub for my brisket, and cook them long and slow at 225°F


2. To inject or not inject ? Why ?

I have never injected a brisket. For one thing, if you do inject it, you will be puncturing the surface and potentially pushing any bacteria that was on the surface into the interior of the meat. Intact whole muscle meat is fairly safe even if it doesn't get up to a bacteria-murdering temperature for quite a long time. But if the solution you inject has bacteria in it, or surface bacteria gets pushed deep into the muscle, it is possible to have it end up in the "danger zone" long enough for it to multiply to an unsafe level.

For long slow smokes, like brisket or a pork butt, I don't even stab the meat temperature probe into the meat until it's been in long enough for the surface to have been pasteurized.

Further, I've never wanted to inject a brisket or pork butt.

But as with all of this this is just my experience and tastes. Someone may well come along and explain why injecting can be safe and make for a better tasting product. I have a LOT to learn myself! :)


3. Do you use smoke the entire time or just X amount of hours ?

I usually smoke the full time or until the pellet burner burns out. But for long slow smokes, I often do pork butts and briskets in foil steam-table pans to catch the drippings. After the first three hours or so, I usually flip the meat over in the trays to make sure it gets good smoke exposure on all surfaces.


And after perhaps five or six hours, I can add liquid (if I want) and cover the tray and meat with foil while the meat comes fully up to temperature and gets nice and tender. I make sure to "tent" the foil so that it is not in contact with the top of the meat during this stage.

And with the meat enclosed this way, there's no need for the smoke. In fact, after foiling the meat, I sometimes move the meat to my oven in the kitchen to finish things off where I have better temperature control.

So I normally smoke for the first five or six hours of a long, slow smoke like a brisket.

4. Do you use the Texas Crutch ?

I need to look up what that is! :)


5. How open do you have the vents on top of your MES? Is this only for temperature control ?


I usually have the vent on the top of my MES fully open. Further, I insert about a ten inch tall pipe at the top vent to help it draw even more! That works the best with the way mine is modified and at my elevation (about 5300').

The vent is not used to control the temperature because the thermostat in the smoker does that. The more air that gets drawn through the MES, the harder the heater has to work, but I also get more reliable burning of the pellets in my AMNPS this way at my elevation. Here, I need all of the oxygen I can get! Your situation may well be different. People at sea level never seem to complain about their pellets going out. Here, you have to get things just right to keep them burning reliably.

Adjusting the various vents will set the air flow rate over the pellets and through the smoker. So you can use this to adjust the rate of burning, and thus the character of the smoke you'll get. You will need to experiment with your particular setup to figure out what works the best and what you prefer. Gotta play with it, but it's fun!

6. Also what store bought sauces do you recommend that I can pickup from a major grocery store ?

Personally, I normally make a "finishing sauce" for pulled pork using a modified version of some recipes I've found here, and the same for briskets as well.

But as with all of this, I'm sure you'll get some recommendations and recipes to try.

I'll follow this thread myself because I'm sure you're going to get some great recipes and recommendations, and I will be able to "go to school" following along!


Thank you to everyone! I can't wait for this weekend !

Best of luck! This is a great forum. Let us know how it all goes as you prepare and then go for it!
 
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I don't have any photos of my setup right now. I'm going to be moving in a few months so once I get situated there I will find a more permanent home for the smoker or a nice rolling cart for it.

Ok I'll just play with the vents and see then. I'm currently in El Paso, elevation 3700, so it's not super high, but still up there in elevation.


Yes did break in my smoker when I first got it, I ran it for a good 4 or 5 hours.

I ran it for an hour or so yesterday after doing the mailbox Mod to make sure I had a good seal on everything and making sure the pellets were going to burn without going out. In addition to the mounting holes on the bottom of the mailbox I drilled three 1/2" holes on the front door for more airflow.
 
When my therm alarm goes off around 203* to alert me, I probe for tenderness and when it passes the tender test then out comes the brisket. if I'm lucky to have it done and about ready to eat and rest for an hour while getting other sides together, I leave it tented with foil or butchers paper to cool down. If hauling it to a different location I foil the meat and use a cooler with crumpled newspaper to fill the void in the cooler vs. towels. That way I don't have to do laundry and newspaper is a great insulator. If I'm not hauling it and ready to eat in an hour, I don't incorporate a mandatory cooler rest for hours as part of the recipe because it passed the tender test and I won't fiddle f... around with it to further delay eating it. If I'm staying home and pull hours ahead of schedule, then I wrap and put back in the turned off smoker with a therm in it. If the temp approaches 140* coming down from 203*, then I turn the smoker back on at 135* or whatever if needing more time to hold at 140*+. Electric smokers are awesome outdoor holding ovens for the holidays when space is limited and a 24 hour smoke costs around $3.00 in electricity.

I don't inject. injected liquid has touched the meat so it has left behind flavor. Every degree has a specific effect on meat which is why we cook by temp and not time so when meat denatures and coagulates to the doneness we are familiar with, the injected liquid comes out with all the other meat juices at those specific temps. It's a one way street with juices coming out as the meat contracts and shrinks expelling it's own juices. If I wants a finishing juice then I add the injection liquid to the pan of drippings . Injection works but I don't fiddle with it.

I use the AMNPS smoke the whole time and no longer wrap anything except doing a flat brisket which I wrap at 160* IT and pull in the mid upper 190's but may just Sous Vide those from now on till tender after smoking several hours low around 200*. I cook ribs, butts, poultry and whole brisket at 275* with making sure that is max temp not coasting over 275*.

I prefer dry brining (salting meat at room temp for an hour+) before returning to fridge for it to continue brining and then for a pellicle vs. wet brining. I do wet curing with 6.25% nitrite for bacons for simplicity. Thermoworks has an article on dry brining, describing the hygroscopic effect of salt draws up water/myoglobin to dissolve the salt so the sodium and chloride ions can now pass through cell membranes unlike the larger dissolved molecules of seasonings and sugars. Dry or wet brining isn't osmosis and has the same effect on myosin which keeps it from coagulating during cooking meaning that protein can't contract, keeping more juices in the meat vs. not brining. Salting tenderizes by relaxing and unwinding those tight wad stuck up proteins during the prerest. Wet brining is fine but some describe it as a more diluted meat flavor since the meat soaks in a lot of water and loses some meat juices into the brine.
https://blog.thermoworks.com/turkey/how-to-dry-brine-a-turkey/

After years of wrapping ribs with 2-2-1 or 3-2-1 method and waiting hours for the stall to pass, smoking at the 225* for cuts that go to around 203*, I have gone to absolutely doing nothing till finished and really like the color, taste, texture and bark smoking at 275*. For tender steaks, chops and roasts then I'm closer to 225* or less so it has time in the smoke and around 150* to start for fish, sausage and other cured meats that are safe for a little longer duration at lower temps.
 
Here is my go to brisket recipe.

https://www.geniuskitchen.com/recipe/smok-la-homa-brisket-248876

Injecting your meat or not injecting is a matter of preference and taste. Some like the extra shot of juicy, beefy, saltiness that brisket injections can leave. Others prefer the unfettered taste of the beef and will only use salt and pepper for seasoning. Some will also say the injected beef has a chemical taste. This could be due to some injections using sodium phosphate as a moisture retention agent. Sodium phosphate is generally recognized as safe but is also used in many commercial detergents. Thusly the chemical taste I would gather? I won't use any injections with sodium phosphate as I don't like the idea of adding artificial chemicals and flavors to my meat.

I would also check out youtube for videos of how to trim a brisket. Kosmos Q has a pretty good tutorial.
 
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Ok everything makes sense so far. You all are great at explaining everything!

Just bought the Brisket today, I think this first time I'm going to start with just salt and pepper for a good baseline to start from.

Is doing a dry, or wet, brine something you need to do ? Or is just salt and pepper before it goes in the smoker enough ?

Also when using a electric smoker with the mailbox Mod is using the water tray still recommended ?
 
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Vents open, no water in tray. Make sure that you use a quality thermometer like you stated you have, for monitoring the smoker temp. The MES temp gauges are notorious for being inaccurate.
 
Ok everything makes sense so far. You all are great at explaining everything!

Just bought the Brisket today, I think this first time I'm going to start with just salt and pepper for a good baseline to start from.

Is doing a dry, or wet, brine something you need to do ? Or is just salt and pepper before it goes in the smoker enough ?

Also when using a electric smoker with the mailbox Mod is using the water tray still recommended ?
It is a matter of taste. Sometimes I will salt a piece of meat overnight then add the rest of the seasonings before I put it in the smoker. If you put salt and pepper on the brisket an hour before you put it in your smoker, you will be fine.
 
Vents open, no water in tray. Make sure that you use a quality thermometer like you stated you have, for monitoring the smoker temp. The MES temp gauges are notorious for being inaccurate.
I'm glad you said that! I didn't realize they were notorious for being inaccurate, tomorrow I'll play with it and figure out what temperature I need to set it at in the Smoker to have the real temp
 
Ok everything makes sense so far. You all are great at explaining everything!

Just bought the Brisket today, I think this first time I'm going to start with just salt and pepper for a good baseline to start from.

Is doing a dry, or wet, brine something you need to do ? Or is just salt and pepper before it goes in the smoker enough ?

Also when using a electric smoker with the mailbox Mod is using the water tray still recommended ?
The link I put in post #5 explains the benefits of salting meat (dry bining) vs. wet brining. They explain this with turkey but the chart given gives salt amounts and durations for different meats and what it does and why. Give the salt some time to work.
 
I don't have any photos of my setup right now. I'm going to be moving in a few months so once I get situated there I will find a more permanent home for the smoker or a nice rolling cart for it.

Ok I'll just play with the vents and see then. I'm currently in El Paso, elevation 3700, so it's not super high, but still up there in elevation.


Yes did break in my smoker when I first got it, I ran it for a good 4 or 5 hours.

I ran it for an hour or so yesterday after doing the mailbox Mod to make sure I had a good seal on everything and making sure the pellets were going to burn without going out. In addition to the mounting holes on the bottom of the mailbox I drilled three 1/2" holes on the front door for more airflow.


Looks like you got a lot of good Info already, so I'll just add, "Pay attention to "Sigmo" on the suggestions he made, because your 3700' of Elevation is up there pretty good, and will more than likely effect your AMNPS".


Bear
 
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Alright here's the setup, please let me know if you see something that doesn't look right..

I live at the bottom of a mountain and sometimes get high winds coming down the canyon so I put a soup can on top with quite a bit of holes on top for ventilation. Would it be wise to put it a tarp to block some of the wind ? Temperature will get to the mid/low 50s tonight
 
Looks to me like you're well set up and ready to go.
Always leave the top vent on your MES wide open. Also, a MES is so air tight that it will supply all the humidity you'll need. I never add water to mine. I just filled the water dish with sand and foiled it over to act as a heat sink.
If you do a search for brisket by member gary s you'll find a bunch of posts he has made. Gary has been smoking briskets for about 40 years and there's not much that he doesn't know about the process. He walked me through my first brisket, and it turned out fantastic.
Gary
 
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Alright here's the setup, please let me know if you see something that doesn't look right..

I live at the bottom of a mountain and sometimes get high winds coming down the canyon so I put a soup can on top with quite a bit of holes on top for ventilation. Would it be wise to put it a tarp to block some of the wind ? Temperature will get to the mid/low 50s tonight
You may want to seal the bottom mounting holes in the mailbox so all air comes in the ones you made in the door and goes past the tray. I also capped the back bottom drain for all air to come through the mailbox since I don't generate a lot of bottom pan grease that needs draining. A lot of air comes in through the drain hole. You can't keep a lighter lit at the hole with all the air intake. Maybe raise the AMNPS so air can get all around it. I made a rack and others make legs with binder clips at the corners. In your pick I only left open the two holes closest to the door and sealed all the corners and bottom holes behind them and no need for holes in the door and air comes in at the bottom hinge but I'm at 700'. I did make a third hole between the two so each row on the AMNPS gets it's own jet of air.
 
[QUOTE="Arizona13B, post: 1955516, member:
Alright here's the setup, please let me know if you see something that doesn't look right..

I live at the bottom of a mountain and sometimes get high winds coming down the canyon so I put a soup can on top with quite a bit of holes on top for ventilation. Would it be wise to put it a tarp to block some of the wind ? Temperature will get to the mid/low 50s tonight[/QUOTE]





Looks Good:
However, I would keep an eye on the tin can on the vent. Since it's close to the same size as the vent itself, it is likely to accumulate condensation & drip down through the vent onto the food, especially in cold weather, and that condensation when mixed with the black coating on the vent is not a very tasty seasoning.

And it is always a good thing if any wind can be blocked from an MES. A wind can suck the heat right out of the top vent, although your soup can is a help for that.

Bear
 
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Here's a few pics of my first brisket. Along with my personal log to track the smoking session.

Does it have a smoke ring ? I'm a little unsure what it is



Date: May 11 2019
Outside Temp: Temp 55- 70s

Salt and Pepper (1TBSP on back of brisket. 1.5 TBSP on front)
Mesquite Pellets (small amount of hickory chips)

Weighed 12 pounds on label
Removed 2 pounds of fat

Time put in smoker 0100
Time taken out of smoker 1600
Temp set at 225
Temp set when I took it out 275 (last 1.5 hours)
Pulled out of smoker at 201°. Let rest in cooler for 2 hours


Advice for next time. Pull out at 197°. It was slightly dry. Oil trays before putting in smoker. Possibly inject the flat so it's more juicy (point was moist)
 

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Here's a few pics of my first brisket. Along with my personal log to track the smoking session.

Does it have a smoke ring ? I'm a little unsure what it is



Date: May 11 2019
Outside Temp: Temp 55- 70s

Salt and Pepper (1TBSP on back of brisket. 1.5 TBSP on front)
Mesquite Pellets (small amount of hickory chips)

Weighed 12 pounds on label
Removed 2 pounds of fat

Time put in smoker 0100
Time taken out of smoker 1600
Temp set at 225
Temp set when I took it out 275 (last 1.5 hours)
Pulled out of smoker at 201°. Let rest in cooler for 2 hours


Advice for next time. Pull out at 197°. It was slightly dry. Oil trays before putting in smoker. Possibly inject the flat so it's more juicy (point was moist)
 
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