Well I made a couple of post in this thread and both were in a joking manner. Boy did I pick the wrong thread for that! Let me apologize to all for even posting in this thread. But since I have let me just say I joined this site to learn more about smoking meat and this is the best site I came across. The members are very helpful and the info here is endless. This is the part that is going to upset some folks, I don't belong to nor do I want to belong to any club, organization, or secret society for this very reason. Poeple always end up feeling let down or feelings hurt or he/she got in why didn't joe blow get in. I am happy with just looking, learning, helping when I can, and having a good time doing it. What ever ya'll do remember this is a web site not a contest. Hope ya'll get this thing all worked out without any hard feelings.