2012 Masterbuilt Smokers - NEW 30" & 40" Models!

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I'm new to smoking and am in the process of getting the mes 40. Just from reading a lot on here it sounds like masterbuilt has come a long way with the smoker they have now and everyone seems to love it. Just by that brochure it looks like masterbuilt is taking a step backwards. I was really going to get that 40 in a couple weeks but I'm debating that now. Maybe I should be researching for a different one. Since I'm new to this I don't know a lot about masterbuilt or there smokers but just from what I've read on here.

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OK guys I may be able to help here.

1 watt = 3.412 BTU's (rounded off)

1 BTU is the amount of energy required to raise 1 pound of water 1 degree (I am told it takes the same amount of energy for meat)

1 gallon water weighs approximately 8.34 pounds

say you want to bring 1 gallon of water to boiling from room temp. (68 degrees)

212 - 68 = 144 (difference in temp) 144 X 8.34 = 1200.96 (BTU's required to boil 1 gallon water)

1200.96 / 3.412 = 351.981 watts 

So it takes 351.981 watts to boil 1 gallon water or 8.34 pounds meat

so as you can see there 650 watt element can only heat approximately 16 pounds meat
 
I am with you Big...I don't know why guys are even complaining about trying to get their MES up to 275F. or beyond..it IS a smoker afterall..and that's what it was designed to do..NOT to cook or bbq.....the smoking range on all thermometers is 225-250..above that you are barbecueing.

So it it can hit 225-250F...then whats the problem?
 
Sparky has the calculations right... just a different perspective on temp and time...

Don't forget we are not trying to bring the meat to 212... only to 145 in most cases so we only have a 105 degree temp rise and we have 4 hours to do it in...

400 watt/hr = 3.4 BTU X 400 = 1365 BTU per hour  X 4 hours =  5440 BTU in 4 hours /105 temp rise needed = 52# water can be heated or raised 105 deg in 4 hours.... I think the new MES will work

Anyway, they have engineers getting paid more than I so who am I to argue.... If it don't work, we all know what kind of customer service they have.... Second only to Todd.....

How's that for a plug....

Dave
 
now comes the question.....do i purchase the current one at sams with the 1200 watt element or wait for this one and hope its still $299?.......
 
If the 650 watts is not a typo, perhaps Masterbuilt is thinking that a lower watt element would result in better smoke generating performance. Since a lower watt element would be on for longer stretches of time (without cycling off so much) the chips would be exposed to heat for longer periods of time too. While it does not strike me as a good idea, it is just a thought as to why it changed.
That's the only conclusion I could come up with, as well.

Larger heating element = less cycling, less heat on the wood chips, but faster recovery.

Smaller heating element = more cycling, more heat on the wood chips, but slower recovery.

Unless there's some new technology in there that we don't know about, I can't see a way to have the best of both worlds. On the other hand, I'm not an engineer, either!
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Looking at the ad i don't see a top vent on the smoker either....i would love to see one of these smokers up close.
 
That's another thing that stood out when looking at the pic. It might be on the left side wall, not top, which would theoretically help to eliminate the hot spot that the MES units have on the right side, due to the fact that the chip tray and the top vent are both on the same side.


unless there have been some changes made that are not posted. I guess i am on my last MES. I have the MES 40 w/ the 850 element and the recovery time is awful . i cant see how dropping to a 650 watt can be any good at all. sounds to me like they are pulling at straws trying to solve problems and are going to end up making more problems. The 850 watt has a very hard time getting over 250 degrees cooking temp. So i can't see how a 650 will be any better.

 If there is no top exhaust vent then that is another strike against the unit. The MES puts out a lot of steam and it needs to have somewhere to escape.

  This will also affect the use of the AMNS and AMNPS  as you will have trouble getting enough air to keep them lit.

 like i said , If what is shown and posted is all there is , MES may have screwed the pooch on this one.
I can't see the unit not having a vent of some sort. By the way, I agree about the steam. When doing jerky (no water pan), I still have to periodically open the door and wipe it down with a rag, just to help drop the interior's humidity and that's WITH a wide-open vent!
 


I just checked the MES website and don't see the model above.
It's not on there. I've looked everywhere on the internet and this is the only pic I've run across, so far.
 


I am with you Big...I don't know why guys are even complaining about trying to get their MES up to 275F. or beyond..it IS a smoker afterall..and that's what it was designed to do..NOT to cook or bbq.....the smoking range on all thermometers is 225-250..above that you are barbecueing.

So it it can hit 225-250F...then whats the problem?
Now that you mention it...
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now comes the question.....do i purchase the current one at sams with the 1200 watt element or wait for this one and hope its still $299?.......
In my opinion, I don't think the price will increase. If it does, it probably won't be by much. The real question is this; Will the new model outperform the current model? If it does, then the new model is the way to go. The only way we're going to get that answer, however, is to wait until the new model hits the consumer's backyards and gets put to the test. Once the reviews are out, you'll know whether to search for the 1200 watt model or just walk into Sam's and buy the new 650 watt model.
 
 
I am with you Big...I don't know why guys are even complaining about trying to get their MES up to 275F. or beyond..it IS a smoker afterall..and that's what it was designed to do..NOT to cook or bbq.....the smoking range on all thermometers is 225-250..above that you are barbecueing.

So it it can hit 225-250F...then whats the problem?


The reason you want to be able to get higher temps in your smoker is pretty much for poultry. If you smoke poultry at 225 the skin is very rubbery. If you smoke it at 275-300 it gets nice & crispy. A lot of the MES run hotter than the controller is set at, so if it's set at 275, there is a good chance the smoker temp may be approaching 300. Which would be perfect for chicken, if you want to eat the skin.
 
i know its a 2012 model but does anybody have any rumor/speculation of when these will hit the shelves?
 
The reason you want to be able to get higher temps in your smoker is pretty much for poultry. If you smoke poultry at 225 the skin is very rubbery. If you smoke it at 275-300 it gets nice & crispy. A lot of the MES run hotter than the controller is set at, so if it's set at 275, there is a good chance the smoker temp may be approaching 300. Which would be perfect for chicken, if you want to eat the skin.
Al, that's a great point! Since the MES is "kinda-sorta" like a smoker/oven, I wonder why Masterbuilt doesn't just allow the temperatures to range a tad bit higher on their thermostats? Maybe have the units top out at 325 or 350? Could the unit even withstand those temperatures? I'm sure they topped it off at 275 for a reason.
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i know its a 2012 model but does anybody have any rumor/speculation of when these will hit the shelves?
The pic I posted is right out of the latest Bass Pro Shops catalog that arrived at home a couple of days ago, so I'm sure they'll be out just as soon as their inventory on the older units deplete. If/when you do get one, please post your observations here on SMF. I'm certain that there are a lot of people waiting to hear the details about these new units.
 
 
im going to give masterbuilt a call after i get off work here in a few minutes and see what they have to say. Being that its already in a retail catalog they should be able to talk about it and the differences.....
 
Just hung up after being on hold for 10 minutes. Either busy or closed for the holiday weekend. Ill let ya know if I get a hold of them.

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alright...end of the speculation...i got through to masterbuilt. As you all know sometimes info varies on which customer service rep you talk to but here is what i found out:

- 30" is 800w and 40" is 1200 (basspro is a typo)

- controller is the same just relocated (wish accuracy was improved but who knows)

- info should be up on the website within a couple of weeks

- new units should hit the shelves in march

I did ask if there were any other differences and she said no. Which i know the window is different, so she either didn't know or they don't have all the info yet. I don't see any improvements with the new model unless there are some things behind the scenes that we don't know about (insulation, door seals, temp probes, etc). i don't really see any reason to wait to purchase the new model. oh and i forgot to ask about the chip tray size and vent position.
 
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Viskey...Thanks for doing the leg work for us and getting the scoop on these smokers. I guess we will have to see what they have in store for us in march when these hit the shelves.
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The best question hasn't been asked yet.  When will they mark down the 2011 MES units?  Lowes has the MES 30 for $149 now.  If it hits $100 I'm all over it.
 
ya, i doubt sams will reduce the 299 price since they never have sales. heck they don't even accept coupons! lol!
 
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