Temps in new 40" MES vs Maverick ET-732

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Sep 22, 2012
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Hi there.  I realize this is the Poultry section, so I am posting this here because it will probably be the most watched today, and because I am about to smoke a turkey. 
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  My main question has to do with the temp differences I am seeing.  I ordered the new Masterbuilt 40" on Tuesday and it was delivered yesterday.  Thank you Amazon Prime.  Anyway, I seasoned it yesterday and was just getting it ready for our fresh Thanksgiving bird, and the temps between the smoker and the Maverick are WAY off.  Smoker reads 253 degrees currently, the Maverick reads 266.  Which should I trust, and why is there such BIG difference between the two?  Thanks in advance.  And Happy Thanksgiving!!!
 
Trust the Maverick.  The MES's are known for inaccuracies for temp readings.  I put my MES at 275* today and at the low end I was reading 300*, high end spike at 335*.  Plenty for crisping it up but yes, Pay attention to the Maverick.  I have the exact set up you do as well as an AMNPS, something you should purchase.  Look up Todd here on the forum, Amaz N Pellet Smoker.
 
Id trust the Maverick. The stock thermometers in smokers are usually off.

If you want to check take the Maverick out and put it in boiling water to see if its accurate.
 
Trust the Maverick.  The MES's are known for inaccuracies for temp readings.  I put my MES at 275* today and at the low end I was reading 300*, high end spike at 335*.  Plenty for crisping it up but yes, Pay attention to the Maverick.  I have the exact set up you do as well as an AMNPS, something you should purchase.  Look up Todd here on the forum, Amaz N Pellet Smoker.
Thank you for the quick replies.  I also purchased the AMNPS, but I don't have the blow torch (the fuel, since I got the torch with the kit), to light it. :)
 
Well, this appears to be turning into a colossal failure.  I got the MES to temperature, stuck the Maverick probe into the bird and put it in the smoker.  Set the temp down to 240, timer for 8+ hours, put in some apple chips into the feeder, and closed it up.  It was like the thing caught on fire, like it did yesterday in the seasoning process.  Not anywhere near TBS.  Any suggestions, because I just shut it off, opened the door to let out all the smoke, and then added some water to the chip tray, added more apple, and restarted.  I sure don't want to ruin this fresh turkey that cost a lot more per pound than frozen.
 
Keep in mind that the temperature sensor in the MES is down low, and on the back of the unit. So it'll see a different temperature than what your separate probe might. If you attach the two probes together, then you can get a feel for how far off the MES's probe/readout is.

In mine, the MES reads higher than actual temp, by an amount that varies from dead-on at 68 degrees to the MES reading about 18 degrees high at 275.

On the other hand, the MES's meat probe reads within a degree or two over the full range, which is nice because I can trust the built-in meat probe, at least.

As for the flare up, etc.

I suspect that the wood chip tray was blazing hot because the heating element was on full blast, and had been for some time as the MES tries to heat up to the set temperature. This is one of the things that's hard to get around with the MES. The chips will smoke or burn rapidly when the heater is on. But of course, they won't smoke at all when the heater is off.

So if you're trying to run the smoker at a high temperature when it's cold outside, the element will be on constantly or at least most of the time, so you'll get blazing smoke chips. But if you're trying to smoke at a cooler temperature when it's warm or hot outside, then the heating element won't be on very much, so you won't get much smoke at all.

What you can do is to soak the wood chips for a half hour or so in water before putting them into the smoker. Then, if your running the smoker hot (as we do for turkey), and it's cold outside (as it is here right now), you know that the heating element will be on for a very high duty cycle. Thus, the chip pan will be very hot. So you may want to add the (soaked) chips slowly, a bit at a time, throughout the smoking process, to limit how much smoke you get.

The chip hopper lets you do this without opening the smoker and letting the hot air out, so that's a plus. Thumbs Up

I doubt the flare up did any real damage. It's what happens in the long term that counts.

I'm smoking my very first turkey right now in an MES 40 (old style), but I'm using an Amazin AMNPS pellet gadget to create the smoke. That's a great option because it divorces the smoke production from the heating element's duty cycle.

As of now, it's about 40 degrees outside here, with a breeze, and the heating element has been on 100% constant for the last hour and a half, and the smoker is not up to the 275° I set it for. It's holding at about 268° (indicated on the MES). Since my MES's internal temp probe is probably off by about 18 degrees, I know that the temp in the smoker is actually about 250°, which is probably just fine.

My MES does have the 1200 Watt element, but it's still clearly not enough to keep the unit at 275° on a cool day with a breeze.

Good luck. I think we're both going to need it today! :biggrin:
 
Well, this appears to be turning into a colossal failure.  I got the MES to temperature, stuck the Maverick probe into the bird and put it in the smoker.  Set the temp down to 240, timer for 8+ hours, put in some apple chips into the feeder, and closed it up.  It was like the thing caught on fire, like it did yesterday in the seasoning process.  Not anywhere near TBS.  Any suggestions, because I just shut it off, opened the door to let out all the smoke, and then added some water to the chip tray, added more apple, and restarted.  I sure don't want to ruin this fresh turkey that cost a lot more per pound than frozen.
If you overload the chip tray, it will catch fire which isn't great but not all hope is lost.  If you see it on fire, open the door and blow it out.  Only load a small handful.  The smoke will be grayish while is catching then it should turn to TBS once it mellows down.  Water should be added to the water tray, not the chip tray.  Keep an eye on the IT of the bird only.  40* out of the fridge to 140* in 4 hrs is the bench mark.  A little over shouldn't hurt.  I started this one off at 275* until I was above 140* then turned it down to 235* MES temp.  Don't worry it will be fine.  Did you brine the turkey?
 
Keep in mind that the temperature sensor in the MES is down low, and on the back of the unit. So it'll see a different temperature than what your separate probe might. If you attach the two probes together, then you can get a feel for how far off the MES's probe/readout is.
In mine, the MES reads higher than actual temp, by an amount that varies from dead-on at 68 degrees to the MES reading about 18 degrees high at 275.
On the other hand, the MES's meat probe reads within a degree or two over the full range, which is nice because I can trust the built-in meat probe, at least.
As for the flare up, etc.
I suspect that the wood chip tray was blazing hot because the heating element was on full blast, and had been for some time as the MES tries to heat up to the set temperature. This is one of the things that's hard to get around with the MES. The chips will smoke or burn rapidly when the heater is on. But of course, they won't smoke at all when the heater is off.
So if you're trying to run the smoker at a high temperature when it's cold outside, the element will be on constantly or at least most of the time, so you'll get blazing smoke chips. But if you're trying to smoke at a cooler temperature when it's warm or hot outside, then the heating element won't be on very much, so you won't get much smoke at all.
What you can do is to soak the wood chips for a half hour or so in water before putting them into the smoker. Then, if your running the smoker hot (as we do for turkey), and it's cold outside (as it is here right now), you know that the heating element will be on for a very high duty cycle. Thus, the chip pan will be very hot. So you may want to add the (soaked) chips slowly, a bit at a time, throughout the smoking process, to limit how much smoke you get.
The chip hopper lets you do this without opening the smoker and letting the hot air out, so that's a plus.
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I doubt the flare up did any real damage. It's what happens in the long term that counts.
I'm smoking my very first turkey right now in an MES 40 (old style), but I'm using an Amazin AMNPS pellet gadget to create the smoke. That's a great option because it divorces the smoke production from the heating element's duty cycle.
As of now, it's about 40 degrees outside here, with a breeze, and the heating element has been on 100% constant for the last hour and a half, and the smoker is not up to the 275° I set it for. It's holding at about 268° (indicated on the MES). Since my MES's internal temp probe is probably off by about 18 degrees, I know that the temp in the smoker is actually about 250°, which is probably just fine.
My MES does have the 1200 Watt element, but it's still clearly not enough to keep the unit at 275° on a cool day with a breeze.
Good luck. I think we're both going to need it today!
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Thank you so much.  I need to get fuel for my torch and use the AMNPS, that's for sure.  I can see how this could turn into an expensive experiment getting everything figured out. Mine is the 1200, too; and according to my thermometer, it's about 75 out now, so the unit shouldn't have to labor too hard.  It looks like I am getting TBS now, and I just added some soaked chips to the hopper.  Another 7 hours to go. 
 
If you overload the chip tray, it will catch fire which isn't great but not all hope is lost.  If you see it on fire, open the door and blow it out.  Only load a small handful.  The smoke will be grayish while is catching then it should turn to TBS once it mellows down.  Water should be added to the water tray, not the chip tray.  Keep an eye on the IT of the bird only.  40* out of the fridge to 140* in 4 hrs is the bench mark.  A little over shouldn't hurt.  I started this one off at 275* until I was above 140* then turned it down to 235* MES temp.  Don't worry it will be fine.  Did you brine the turkey?
Thank you for the help.  I added a small amount of soaked chips, and in 5 minutes or so, it was as if they had caught on fire.  It's mellowing out now, but I am fearful the bird will taste like creosote.  We'll see. Thanks again, and Happy Thanksgiving.
 
I know it's too late but next time when it reaches 140 you can turn it down. The higher temps help crisp it up though. So get it to 140 in under 4 hours and either finish it off in the oven to crisp it or max temp it on the MES and it could get kinda crispy. Mine did,
 
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