Temperature control system testing this weekend

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geek with fire

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Well, I finally got around to testing the new addition to the temperature control system; a 150 CFM blower fan.

Just to recap from previous threads, the control system consists of a PC based system. Temperature probes consist of multiple thermocouples and thermistors connected to the computer (via USB). The computer runs a custom visual basic application that takes the temperatures from the probes and controls both a servo controlled damper and, now, a variable speed fan. In addition, all of the probe values are saved to a temperature logger database every 30 seconds.

Testing went very very well. It was as windy of a day as I can remember cooking in, but the gusts never effected the temperature. The only problem, as I was worried from the start, is that the fan pushes too much air when I lift the lid on the smoking chamber. This causes ash to get airborne, so that needs some work. Other than that, man it worked great:
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The testing recipe consisted of:
Meatloaf with a Honey/Ketchup/Soy glaze
Dutch's beans
Smoked chicken wings in a Peach Honey glaze (very Asian)

Loaf and Beans (new cast iron pot: very much love this guy!)
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Peach Honey Chicken wings. This uses the same glaze that I use on my pork ribs, with the addition of some sesame seed oil and some ginger. I kept the glaze in the cast iron pan to simmer and season during the last hour of cooking. Instead of mopping the glaze on, I just put the wings in the cast iron pan and tossed until coated. I repeated this step about 3 times in the last hour or so. Turned out really good!
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Here's the finished meat loaf. It had a good flavor, but my wife felt it was too smoky. I rather liked it, but next time, I may foil it once it hit's 140, just to reduce smoke time; perhaps even finish in the oven....just to please my lovely bride.
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Great weekend, perfect weather, I had a blast!
 
That is what I would call state of the art. Perhaps rigging a cutoff switch on the lid to kill the fan? Sort of like a light switch on a refigerator. What are the rocks on the bottom of your rig for?
Brian
 
I'm figureing once the temp control is perfected, There will a pump system for spritzing.
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I started working on the code last weekend.....no kidding. No pump, but rather a pressurized tank with a bottom feed. I had already built a PVC canister with a screw top for loading the liquid and a barbed nozzle for a nylon hose out the bottom. Will be using nylon hose to the smoker, then copper in the smoker. Still need to get an air switching valve and some nozzles that don't use nylon as the orifice. As well as some way to mount the nozzles in the smoker that I can manuver as needed. I'm thinking something like the adjustable coolant tube's on machine lathes and mills. If I can find something like those that would stand up to the temperature, I think I would be set. Plan on charging the loaded canister with my compresser. The computer will open and close the air switching valve causing the pressure to spray the liquid through the nozzles in the smoker. I need to build something to protect my pit thermocouple as it's an exposed probe and not water proof; not a big deal, but will need to be done.

I do photography on the side, and we're coming up on wedding season, so I'm trying to get this done before then.
 
I agree with blacknbluedog. To expand on the point, maybe put a couple of interlocks in the doors and connect them in series with the power running to the fan, or if you wanna complicate it, run the interlock open signal to your computer and make a script to tell the fan not to run when you have the interlock open signal.

A question about the copper tubing for the spray...Won't copper corode faster with an acid based spray? I know if you run mostly water through it you should be fine, but even anything like apple juice would corrode the pipes faster and give you some yummy copper oxide in your food.
 
Yea, you're probably right. Honestly, I haven't thought that far enough ahead, but I'm comforted by the fact that I'm sure I can find a high temp food grade tube out there somewhere. Good point though.
 
I uploaded a very small clip of the blower fan in action to my YouTube account. Only a 13 second clip and doesn't show much detail. But you can at least hear it running at full throttle. Sounds wicked!

 
Hey Geek, I work in the construction equipment field and we deal with alot of paving equipment. The Bomag rollers use a metal spray nozzle on the drums for watering the drums to prevent asphalt from sticking. These nozzles put out a fan spray of water via an electric pump. Or somthing like a pressure washer nozzle would put out a nice fan spray as well at lower pressures for spritzing. Just thought I would add my $0.02.
 
I'm not sure if it's possible, but I'm sure somewhere out there there's a food grade pipe lining that you can apply to the interior of the pipes to prevent corrosion. Otherwise there's the option of non-reactive metals like stainless (do they make piping from stainless?) I'm just a lowly electronics technician, The only piping I work with is for the cooling system on my bada$$ missile system. I hate to be a naysayer for the "automatic seasoning squirtgun" device but there are a lot of variables to take into account with the system. The aforementioned reactivity to the material the piping will be made out of to the acids in the spray, sediment buildup in the lines and the prevention thereof, which IMHO will only be made worse by the heat in the smoker, causing buildup to happen at a much faster pace. That's all I can really think of for now.

I'd LOVE to see this system work, if it does you could probably make a howto for it and sell the software to any hopeful "smokebot" makers
 
Really cool setup you got going there, never thought smoking could be so high tech. As for the auto spritzer, you can get stainless tubing. They use it lots in the oilfield for instrumentation purposes, although I'm sure its not real cheep. But for the amount you would need it probably wouldn't be unreasonable.
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Yes, I think that's the route I'll start with. I think I just want a piece that is as long as my smoking chamber is wide. I will mount it to the inside of the lid in such a way as to allow for easy removal for cleaning. This is a crude drawing, this is basically what I am thinking:
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might have some trouble with boil-off/caking up of mop in the tube/nozzles. Crap, Geek just get off that damm 'puter and go mop the stuff! Sheesh! ;{)
 
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