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Brainbeer

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I've been smoking for a few years and have recently really got serious and really invested in doing it. I currently have a Masterbuilt electric smoker. It's easy and takes a small amount of wood chips.

I've gotten a blessing from my wife to upgrade. I'm thinking of getting an offset smoker. What are the pros and cons of that? What can I expect if I get one? I have thought about a pellet grill, but I'm really drawn to an offset.

I found a Royal Gourmet one on Amazon that was fairly cheap to get to see if I can actually use one effectively. Should I go that route or bite he bullet and get a nicer one?
 
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I've been dying to try a offset smoker too.

But the couple I looked at/want ain't cheap.

I would say if you buy 1 just learn the nuances of using it.
 
If you really want an offset, going cheap will open you up to a whole host of new problems in maintaining temps. You want something like a Lang, or Bell Fab made from thick steel if you want to go that route.

My OKJ is an older one and made from thicker steel than what you are looking at, but even the new ones are thinner.
 
Couple small upgrades to your MES and you got the real deal.
PID controller and mailbox modification and you have a totally awesome smoker. Ideal for sausage, jerky, and fish, plus you can do whatever else you need. Don't know what your real passion in the smoking world is.
 
Pros are more smoke flavor and...well more smoke flavor. But with the MES, there are things that can be done.

Cons are more time invested in maintaining a fire during the cook...no set it and forget it.

The learning curve of maintaining temps over a long cook.

Wood procurement and seasoning it. I'm always looking a year out for wood, especially green wood that needs time to season.

Cost of a good smoker. I started out with a newer Ok Joe Highland to learn on. Then I upgraded to a semi-custom reverse flow. It is much larger and can handle smoking much more meat for larger gatherings, but that comes at a significant cost. I will admit that I use my Joe more than my big smoker, but I wouldn't be without it.

Personally, I like tending the fire and the challenges of staying ahead of the curve on getting wood and the different varieties. Currently, I have 6 different varieties of wood.

My recommendation is something like a Lang, Bell Fab, etc. if obtaining wood isn't and issue and you're willing to invest the time in smoking with it. I won't speak for him, but check with Joel seenred seenred and see if he's willing to build you one. The one he recently built for Jim JLeonard JLeonard is really nice.

For what it's worth, my big smoker is a TMG Pits Copperhead, but last I checked, they are 35-40 weeks out on production...
 
My wife says I won't have any trouble tending to the fire, because even now I don't set it and forget it. I'm checking temps at a minimum of every hour if not more. The wood source might worry me some. I was going to use precut wood chunks. I don't know of anywhere around here I can get wood varieties. As far as a custom build. I have a blessing, but also a budget. I'm not wanting to invest thousands into something I may not be able to really do. I like the challenge part of it, but not sure I can hang with the big boys
 
I've been smoking for a few years and have recently really got serious and really invested in doing it. I currently have a Masterbuilt electric smoker. It's easy and takes a small amount of wood chips.

I've gotten a blessing from my wife to upgrade. I'm thinking of getting an offset smoker. What are the pros and cons of that? What can I expect if I get one? I have thought about a pellet grill, but I'm really drawn to an offset.

I found a Royal Gourmet one on Amazon that was fairly cheap to get to see if I can actually use one effectively. Should I go that route or bite he bullet and get a nicer one?

My wife says I won't have any trouble tending to the fire, because even now I don't set it and forget it. I'm checking temps at a minimum of every hour if not more. The wood source might worry me some. I was going to use precut wood chunks. I don't know of anywhere around here I can get wood varieties. As far as a custom build. I have a blessing, but also a budget. I'm not wanting to invest thousands into something I may not be able to really do. I like the challenge part of it, but not sure I can hang with the big boys

Hello Brainbeer and welcome to the fun! While I agree in general principal with what the others guys are suggesting about investing more money in a quality pit, it sounds to me like you aren't sure enough yet that stick burners are the right thing for you. First, if you aren't sure you have adequate access to a steady supply of smoking hardwood, then an offset stick burner is probably not the right pit for you. I think you'd find that trying to fuel it with pre-cut chunks - even if you use charcoal for heat - would not be ideal. An offset really needs split hardwood logs for fuel.

So if you're really serious about a stick burner, the first step I'd suggest is look in your area for wood sources. Once you get that checked off your list, you'll be ready to shop for the pit that's right for you. The 'box store' quality smokers - like that Royal Gourmet you mentioned - can get the job done, but are pretty frustrating and time intensive (I know from experience - my first smoker was pretty similar). They're made out of very thin gauge steel that won't hold heat very well, and they leak air like a screen door. One of the keys to running an offset smoker is controlling air flow...and that's a real challenge with cheap offsets. Not trying to totally discourage you - with some mods and careful attention, a guy can turn out good BBQ on a COS (cheap offset).

What you'll find if you comparison shop is, the differences between box store quality and high end pits are not only build quality and fit and finish, but more importantly the steel thickness. Most quality pit builders use nothing less than 1/4 inch-thick steel in their pits.

On the other hand, if you think offset stick burner cooking is definitely for you, but you just can't justify the price tag of a new premium pit, you can go a couple different routes: First route: Go ahead and buy the best COS you can afford. In general, the old saying. "you get what you pay for" is pretty true. For a little more money than the cost of that Royal Gourmet you're looking at, you can buy something with a little better build quality. It'll need a few mods and some patience...but it would give you the chance to learn whether or not you really enjoy live-fire cooking. If it turns out you really like tending a fire, you can always upgrade when you can afford it. Second: take a look on classified ad apps like Craigslist and FB Marketplace. There are often some higher end used pits for sale if you keep a close watch and are patient.

Oh - and another more affordable option is, you could take a look at Old Country BBQ pits. Not sure where you live, but if there are Academy Outdoor stores near you, you can check out the Old Country line. They have decent pits that start at around $500 (not 1/4" steel, but better quality than many other box store options), and go up to the 1,500-2,000 range...which are still not true premium pits, but are 1/4" steel, and are much better than all the box store options. If you decided to go that route, search for threads here that have already covered just about every topic about that particular product line.

And lastly, a couple of the guys mentioned that I am an amateur pit builder myself. I've built and sold a couple of smokers to members of these forums. If you were in no hurry, I would be happy to build you a quality offset smoker. I've got a few things on my plate right now, but could probably begin fabrication on something by early Fall. If that's anything you'd be interested in discussing further, just send me a message via private conversation and I'll talk it through with you.

Phew! Sorry that got pretty long winded! Didn't really mean to ramble on like that. Holler back at me if you want to talk more.

Red
 
Hello Brainbeer and welcome to the fun! While I agree in general principal with what the others guys are suggesting about investing more money in a quality pit, it sounds to me like you aren't sure enough yet that stick burners are the right thing for you. First, if you aren't sure you have adequate access to a steady supply of smoking hardwood, then an offset stick burner is probably not the right pit for you. I think you'd find that trying to fuel it with pre-cut chunks - even if you use charcoal for heat - would not be ideal. An offset really needs split hardwood logs for fuel.

So if you're really serious about a stick burner, the first step I'd suggest is look in your area for wood sources. Once you get that checked off your list, you'll be ready to shop for the pit that's right for you. The 'box store' quality smokers - like that Royal Gourmet you mentioned - can get the job done, but are pretty frustrating and time intensive (I know from experience - my first smoker was pretty similar). They're made out of very thin gauge steel that won't hold heat very well, and they leak air like a screen door. One of the keys to running an offset smoker is controlling air flow...and that's a real challenge with cheap offsets. Not trying to totally discourage you - with some mods and careful attention, a guy can turn out good BBQ on a COS (cheap offset).

What you'll find if you comparison shop is, the differences between box store quality and high end pits are not only build quality and fit and finish, but more importantly the steel thickness. Most quality pit builders use nothing less than 1/4 inch-thick steel in their pits.

On the other hand, if you think offset stick burner cooking is definitely for you, but you just can't justify the price tag of a new premium pit, you can go a couple different routes: First route: Go ahead and buy the best COS you can afford. In general, the old saying. "you get what you pay for" is pretty true. For a little more money than the cost of that Royal Gourmet you're looking at, you can buy something with a little better build quality. It'll need a few mods and some patience...but it would give you the chance to learn whether or not you really enjoy live-fire cooking. If it turns out you really like tending a fire, you can always upgrade when you can afford it. Second: take a look on classified ad apps like Craigslist and FB Marketplace. There are often some higher end used pits for sale if you keep a close watch and are patient.

Oh - and another more affordable option is, you could take a look at Old Country BBQ pits. Not sure where you live, but if there are Academy Outdoor stores near you, you can check out the Old Country line. They have decent pits that start at around $500 (not 1/4" steel, but better quality than many other box store options), and go up to the 1,500-2,000 range...which are still not true premium pits, but are 1/4" steel, and are much better than all the box store options. If you decided to go that route, search for threads here that have already covered just about every topic about that particular product line.

And lastly, a couple of the guys mentioned that I am an amateur pit builder myself. I've built and sold a couple of smokers to members of these forums. If you were in no hurry, I would be happy to build you a quality offset smoker. I've got a few things on my plate right now, but could probably begin fabrication on something by early Fall. If that's anything you'd be interested in discussing further, just send me a message via private conversation and I'll talk it through with you.

Phew! Sorry that got pretty long winded! Didn't really mean to ramble on like that. Holler back at me if you want to talk more.

Red
Thank you so much for your detailed and honest reply. It gave me a lot to think about. Where would you suggest I look for wood? Right now the only source of wood I knowingly have is bundled firewood at convenience stores and I have no idea what type of wood that is. I live in Indiana but from Texas and really like using mesquite. Pretty sure that's not something I will readily find around here. So it looks like I need to do some homework first before just jumping in. Again thank you, your reply is extremely appreciated.

Edit: I just found something that I think might work well for me. I was looking for something to replace both my gas grill and smoker... thoughts?

 
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I can speak to experience and so can Brokenhandle Brokenhandle on seenred seenred build quality. I've only had 2 cooks on the one in my avatar and I can tell you that Joels attention to detail is excellent. Joel is giving you good advice. Check facebook and etc for wood suppliers. Or if there is BBQ restaurants in your area ask them where they get theirs.
Best of luck in your search and dont hesitate to ask questions.

Jim
 
I've been smoking for a few years and have recently really got serious and really invested in doing it. I currently have a Masterbuilt electric smoker. It's easy and takes a small amount of wood chips.

I've gotten a blessing from my wife to upgrade. I'm thinking of getting an offset smoker. What are the pros and cons of that? What can I expect if I get one? I have thought about a pellet grill, but I'm really drawn to an offset.

I found a Royal Gourmet one on Amazon that was fairly cheap to get to see if I can actually use one effectively. Should I go that route or bite he bullet and get a nicer one?
did the same a few years back with an Oklahoma Joe highland reverse flow. Had to do quite a bit of modifications to make it "tight". Found out it was not my cup of tea tending it in Florida heat.
Ended up with a Weber Smokey Mountain18 ( wish I'd gotten the 22)
My results have been pleasing and the learning curve was slight. (with help here.)
I've run the route here, starting with a Masterbuilt electric. wsm 22.jpg
 
Thank you so much for your detailed and honest reply. It gave me a lot to think about. Where would you suggest I look for wood? Right now the only source of wood I knowingly have is bundled firewood at convenience stores and I have no idea what type of wood that is. I live in Indiana but from Texas and really like using mesquite. Pretty sure that's not something I will readily find around here. So it looks like I need to do some homework first before just jumping in. Again thank you, your reply is extremely appreciated.

Edit: I just found something that I think might work well for me. I was looking for something to replace both my gas grill and smoker... thoughts?


Good morning Brainbeer! Jim JLeonard JLeonard gave you good advice on where to look for wood. Craigslist, Marketplace, etc. would be a good place to start. Guys who cut and sell firewood usually advertise somewhere. And it's a great idea to ask your local BBQ restaurants where they get their wood. In Indiana, I'd expect there would be plenty of sources of oak, hickory, pecan, etc.

One of my sons had the exact grill you linked. I can tell you that he wasn't happy with it at all. He said it didn't really perform very well as a smoker, and was so cheaply made that it started rusting almost immediately. My experience has been, it's better to have a dedicated smoker and a dedicated grill. Hybrid or combo units - IMHO - don't really do either as well as a dedicated smoker and a dedicated grill.

If you're willing to spend that much, here's the unit I'd take a look at. It's made of heavier steel. I'm sure there are guys on here who own these who could give you more info about them:


They're not perfect, and the QC on Old Country pits is a little inconsistent, so you might have to look at a few of them before you found one that had a good fit and finish. But overall they're heavier and better built than other box store smokers.

Red
 
Hello Brainbeer and welcome to the fun! While I agree in general principal with what the others guys are suggesting about investing more money in a quality pit, it sounds to me like you aren't sure enough yet that stick burners are the right thing for you. First, if you aren't sure you have adequate access to a steady supply of smoking hardwood, then an offset stick burner is probably not the right pit for you. I think you'd find that trying to fuel it with pre-cut chunks - even if you use charcoal for heat - would not be ideal. An offset really needs split hardwood logs for fuel.

So if you're really serious about a stick burner, the first step I'd suggest is look in your area for wood sources. Once you get that checked off your list, you'll be ready to shop for the pit that's right for you. The 'box store' quality smokers - like that Royal Gourmet you mentioned - can get the job done, but are pretty frustrating and time intensive (I know from experience - my first smoker was pretty similar). They're made out of very thin gauge steel that won't hold heat very well, and they leak air like a screen door. One of the keys to running an offset smoker is controlling air flow...and that's a real challenge with cheap offsets. Not trying to totally discourage you - with some mods and careful attention, a guy can turn out good BBQ on a COS (cheap offset).

What you'll find if you comparison shop is, the differences between box store quality and high end pits are not only build quality and fit and finish, but more importantly the steel thickness. Most quality pit builders use nothing less than 1/4 inch-thick steel in their pits.

On the other hand, if you think offset stick burner cooking is definitely for you, but you just can't justify the price tag of a new premium pit, you can go a couple different routes: First route: Go ahead and buy the best COS you can afford. In general, the old saying. "you get what you pay for" is pretty true. For a little more money than the cost of that Royal Gourmet you're looking at, you can buy something with a little better build quality. It'll need a few mods and some patience...but it would give you the chance to learn whether or not you really enjoy live-fire cooking. If it turns out you really like tending a fire, you can always upgrade when you can afford it. Second: take a look on classified ad apps like Craigslist and FB Marketplace. There are often some higher end used pits for sale if you keep a close watch and are patient.

Oh - and another more affordable option is, you could take a look at Old Country BBQ pits. Not sure where you live, but if there are Academy Outdoor stores near you, you can check out the Old Country line. They have decent pits that start at around $500 (not 1/4" steel, but better quality than many other box store options), and go up to the 1,500-2,000 range...which are still not true premium pits, but are 1/4" steel, and are much better than all the box store options. If you decided to go that route, search for threads here that have already covered just about every topic about that particular product line.

And lastly, a couple of the guys mentioned that I am an amateur pit builder myself. I've built and sold a couple of smokers to members of these forums. If you were in no hurry, I would be happy to build you a quality offset smoker. I've got a few things on my plate right now, but could probably begin fabrication on something by early Fall. If that's anything you'd be interested in discussing further, just send me a message via private conversation and I'll talk it through with you.

Phew! Sorry that got pretty long winded! Didn't really mean to ramble on like that. Holler back at me if you want to talk more.

Red
Great advice! I'd add that used pits offer a ton of saving usually on nice 1/4" steel units. Tns on the various FB smoker for sale groups.
 
Good morning Brainbeer! Jim JLeonard JLeonard gave you good advice on where to look for wood. Craigslist, Marketplace, etc. would be a good place to start. Guys who cut and sell firewood usually advertise somewhere. And it's a great idea to ask your local BBQ restaurants where they get their wood. In Indiana, I'd expect there would be plenty of sources of oak, hickory, pecan, etc.

One of my sons had the exact grill you linked. I can tell you that he wasn't happy with it at all. He said it didn't really perform very well as a smoker, and was so cheaply made that it started rusting almost immediately. My experience has been, it's better to have a dedicated smoker and a dedicated grill. Hybrid or combo units - IMHO - don't really do either as well as a dedicated smoker and a dedicated grill.

If you're willing to spend that much, here's the unit I'd take a look at. It's made of heavier steel. I'm sure there are guys on here who own these who could give you more info about them:


They're not perfect, and the QC on Old Country pits is a little inconsistent, so you might have to look at a few of them before you found one that had a good fit and finish. But overall they're heavier and better built than other box store smokers.

Red
Really appreciate all the advice and info you gave. I'm still on the fence on what if anything I will get in the near future. This is not a decision I'm going to rush into. Whatever I get will have to last me several years, so I'm taking my time with my decision.
 
I'd skip the combo also. If you want to fiddle a little bit you can get a Weber Charcoal grill (26") or a WSM as mentioned above. Use charcoal and chucks of wood easily available at ACE or HD etc. Keep looking at CL or Marketplace for a used Lang, Bellfab, Yoder etc. You can save a bit of $ going that route.
 
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