MES Wall Hanging / Flat / Rectangular / Square Mailbox Mod!!!

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Nice project! I'm presently fighting with a mailbox mod myself. Can't seem to keep the pellets smoldering. Get an hour or maybe two out of it before it burns out. I'm sure it's an airflow issue, though I can't keep it smoking in my gas grill either. Running a regular mailbox with a 1/2" hole on each side and now 9 on the bottom. Think I should close those off and put a few in the lid of the mailbox?

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I don't think it would hurt. You could roll with all of the holes open and then close off any as needed based on the performance with all holes open.

Have you tried microwaving your pellets? Believe it or not but the pellets absorb humidity even though they are always dry to the touch.

I always suggest microwaving the pellets for 1 min 25 sec. Pull them out and mix them around and wait for 2 minutes. Then put them back in for another 1 min 25 sec.
This is all I ever have to do to fix any of my pellets not cooperating issues.

Another thing is to have the AMPNS and or the Mailbox elevated off the ground so air can flow under the tray and pellets.

Making both of these things happen generally fixes pellet burn out issues :)
 
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What he said will probably take care of your issues. If not, I have better luck when I make them into dust. Good luck...
 
Hi there and welcome!
I don't think it would hurt. You could roll with all of the holes open and then close off any as needed based on the performance with all holes open.

Have you tried microwaving your pellets? Believe it or not but the pellets absorb humidity even though they are always dry to the touch.

I always suggest microwaving the pellets for 1 min 25 sec. Pull them out and mix them around and wait for 2 minutes. Then put them back in for another 1 min 25 sec.
This is all I ever have to do to fix any of my pellets not cooperating issues.

Another thing is to have the AMPNS and or the Mailbox elevated off the ground so air can flow under the tray and pellets.

Making both of these things happen generally fixes pellet burn out issues :)
I began with one hole on one side and three on the bottom. Couldn't get any smoke going, so I kept drilling till I had eight on bottom and one on each side. I have tried microwaving one minute, then two minutes. I even baked them for ten minutes today at 350. Mailbox is supported off the ground by two inches using 'L' brackets. But, like I said, I can't make it burn outside of the mailbox either. ...and I have used the sawdust that I have been using in my slow smoker attachment. Can't wait to try different pellets...
 
Absolutely!

Even where I'm at, at 5200 feet, I have to go to fairly extensive lengths to get good reliable burning of pellets in my AMNPS. Most of the folks on this forum are at much lower elevations, and it does make a big difference.

Drying the pellets is a huge deal. I have to get mine very dry. I cook them in a convection oven for half an hour to an hour at 250F or so. Then I put them into mason jars while they're still fairly hot and seal them up until I'm ready to use them. Plastic bags are no good because while a typical bag stops liquid water, it won't stop water vapor. You can smell an onion right through a baggie, and those are larger molecules than water vapor.

Mason jars are cheap and reusable. Make sure to keep sawdust off of the sealing surfaces by wiping the rim of the jar before attaching the lid each time and they seal up very well.

I have not tried grinding the pellets into dust, but some folks have had good luck with that method.

I have modified my MES-40 quite a bit to get good airflow, and I have baffles that direct the airflow right at/over the AMNPS. I'm not using a mailbox mod - yet.

Many people claim that at my elevation, the AMNPS (maze) will not work at all and I need to use one of the tube type smoke generators with dust. However, I've gotten it to work by making sure the pellets are very dry and making sure that they receive a LOT of air.

I also pre-heat my smoker so that when I put the maze full of pellets in, the smoker is already hot, and will "draw" well.

I have about a ten inch section of stovepipe that I jam into the top vent opening to get extra draw.

I light the pellets on fire with a Mapp Gas torch, and allow them to burn with a flame with the door of the smoker open for 10 minutes or so. Then I blow them out and then hold a small computer fan so it's blowing right on the cherry, making it really glow hot. After a while, the thing will burst into open flame on its own as soon as I take the fan away from it. I let it burn for a bit longer, and then blow it out. At that point, it's very hard to blow out. It keeps re-lighting like one of those joke birthday cake candles, but eventually it settles down and will just smolder.

Then, and only then, do I close the door of the smoker. But I have the pellet hopper/dumper thing completely removed. And I have the "guts" of the whole original chip burner taken out of the smoker. I have some bent aluminum to direct the air that comes into the chip hopper hole right at where I put the pellet tray. The tray is up off of the floor of the smoker because it's resting on a pair of metal rods in the lower left of this particular smoker.

So: Very dry pellets.
Lots of airflow - helped by making sure the smoker is hot and the "chimney" is in place to increase the draft through the whole works.
Never any water pan, and certainly no water.

I think you probably will need more airflow than what people are recommending because of your very high elevation.

For cold smoking, I use that same small computer fan, to which I've attached four strong magnets at the corners, stuck over the hopper hole (which is the air intake for my setup) blowing fresh air into the smoker, of course. I adjust its position to get the airflow I want. If it's directly over the opening, then I get max airflow. Slide it off to the side so more or less of the fan is over the hole, and I can get less as needed.

I can imagine possibly needing to use a fan to force air through a mailbox for cold smoking at high elevation because there would be no natural draft up through the smoker with it being cold.

High elevation presents some challenges, but it's really pretty basic. You just need to get enough oxygen to the pellets to achieve that "just right" rate of burning. And that means you have to play with it for your particular elevation, humidity, temperature, etc.

I've got to try grinding some pellets into dust sometime. That seems like a great idea, and I've never tried it.
 
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Nice project! I'm presently fighting with a mailbox mod myself. Can't seem to keep the pellets smoldering. Get an hour or maybe two out of it before it burns out. I'm sure it's an airflow issue, though I can't keep it smoking in my gas grill either. Running a regular mailbox with a 1/2" hole on each side and now 9 on the bottom. Think I should close those off and put a few in the lid of the mailbox?

If you're having issues with the tray I highly recommend using the AMNTS (tube) w/u-bolt mod.I've been doing this for the last two years.

https://www.smokingmeatforums.com/threads/u-bolt-mod-for-the-amnts.271846/
 
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I also think one guy put a small fan blowing towards (not like directly in) his mailbox mod. If you wanted to go to those lengths you would then be forcing more airflow. You would just have to watch and make sure the fan didn't produce so much air that you are now causing flame ups/ignition with the pellets lol
 
Yep to all! :)

And one thing I left out:

The depth to which you pile the pellets into the maze is a HUGE factor. I knew I was leaving something out of my comments above.

While you do not want the pellets to touch across the divides between the rows, causing a "short circuit", with the burn jumping across from one row to the other, you DO want to stack the pellets in as high as possible without creating a short circuit.

I pile them in deep and then use a spoon or my fingers to make sure the rows don't touch. The pellets are above the top of the tray, mounded up a bit.

Having a larger "flame front" creates more heat right at the cherry, and that helps to drive the moisture out of the nearby unburned pellets right before the cherry gets to them. That's another key to getting pellets to burn reliably at high elevation. At lower elevations, people keep the pellets low to avoid short circuiting. At high elevation, you can get away with having them piled in deep, and in fact, you must do this or the pellets will often go out.

But the dust idea is something I need to try, too. I read a thread on here where people discussed various ways of reducing your pellets to dust, and I'll have to play with all of that.

I've also thought of building a forced air smoke generator. I even bought an aquarium air pump and high temperature silicone tubing to use for that. I think it would be interesting to try one of those rigs. I just haven't had the time to play with it all adequately.

So many possibilities! :)
 
An easy way to make dust from pellets is to get them wet and then let them dry out in the sun or in the oven/smoker. If in the sun make sure the wind won't blow it all away hahahaha.
When the pellets get wet they puff up as the compressed dust particles expand. Then when it dries you just touch the pellet puffs and they fall apart. Very simple :)
 
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