Disappointed with amount of smoke; bought a master built electric 40" added updated part sent by mas

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I have one those MES 30's.  Mine is not a hunk a junk.  It smokes everything I put in from a full packer to a 12" trout without fail.  My preference for additional smoke generation is not a fault of the machine.  I smoke at temps from 100 to 250 degrees.  I wanted more smoke than the MES was designed to produce.  I just bought a MES Smoke generator and that has solved all my problems.  5 to 6 hours of smoke is all I will ever need.  I don't think the meat will absorb any more.

So for those of you who consider a stock unit as junk I refer you to Delie's toilet paper box smoker from Costco.  Cheap and it works as advertised!
 
LOL Just George,

I have a 40" and it's been great for me. I never tried the MB smoke box, but most everyone who has one is happy with it. I have the 5x8 pellet smoker and it a bit finicky, but works well for the most part.

JD
 
I have several friends that use old refrigerators for smokers. Hot Plate in the bottom and make your own hangers. Cut a circular hole in the top and use a small piece of sheet metal for a damper. I have seen a lot of different ones. Use your imagination.

Smoking Pollock
 
I bought the 40" and the cold smoke kit was disappointed until I modified the cold smoker! It now smokes like a drunken sailor for hours!

One would think this thing should work to add smoke to the oven but just burns the chips and the smoke goes out the top of the cold smoke unit!

Only took me 4 years to have that DUH moment when I realized the design flaw. I proceed to drill 20 - 3/16" Holes in the chip holder just below the

flange on one of the four sides. 4 rows of holes 6 in the top row, 4 in the second(Staggered), Then 6 in the 3rd row, 4 in the 4th row.

This allows the smoke to enter the oven and no longer vents thru the chip cap and flange. This thing smokes like all get out, Maybe too much

with chips about 3-4 hours and I mean to tell you its better than an A-Mazen  pellet as you get so much smoke you can't see in the oven with

clean glass.
 
Ive owned a few MES models and I've loved them all, and especially loved the Masterbuilt brand, support and customer service. Hands down, for entry level smokers they offer the best and most innovative features. (Things like Bluetooth control, Wifi, remote controls, internal probes, etc, which you can get on a serious budget) 

I do have to say though that before I got an AMNPS I like my first MES, but didn't love it. Once I started using the AMNPS is really when the food taste and overall quality got much better. The chip trays are great for beginners or just your basic backyard people, but a good cook with some good tools can cook awesome quality meat on a MES. You HAVE to do an AMPNS product either in chamber or in a mailbox mod if you're serious about flavor and quality.

If you aren't happy with yours or have problems call their service they are really awesome and very helpful. My first MES started wigging out in the cold and they sent me a replacement which was a brand new in the box model that was a significantly better model, just so they could make sure it would do what I needed it to do. Literally my first one was the basic $150-$200 model, and the one they sent was a $400 one.
 
I have really enjoyed my 40" MES digital with window. The door got cracks in the plastic frame, and they replaced the whole door well after the warrantee had run out. Here's my solution to the smoke issue - I bought the MB cold smoking attachment and use it exclusively to create smoke for hot and cold smoking. I get about 5 hrs of smoke. Here's a picture of my setup, and the smoke generated.

 
I have the exact set up as Robbsmokin shown above. The smoke generation is outstanding!  You can have as little as 30 mins or as much as 5 - 6 hours of smoke and very little ash.  I like the idea of cold smoke as well.  This is the way to go for ease and not much clean up.
 
 
I have really enjoyed my 40" MES digital with window. The door got cracks in the plastic frame, and they replaced the whole door well after the warrantee had run out. Here's my solution to the smoke issue - I bought the MB cold smoking attachment and use it exclusively to create smoke for hot and cold smoking. I get about 5 hrs of smoke. Here's a picture of my setup, and the smoke generated.

 
I have the exact set up as Robbsmokin shown above. The smoke generation is outstanding!  You can have as little as 30 mins or as much as 5 - 6 hours of smoke and very little ash.  I like the idea of cold smoke as well.  This is the way to go for ease and not much clean up.
I am brand new to smoking with the MES, just got a 40.  I have not had trouble making plenty of smoke except for the limited size of the chip tray.  I am seriously looking into the smoke generator and am just wondering if you guys are using chips or pellets in this?
 
 
I am brand new to smoking with the MES, just got a 40.  I have not had trouble making plenty of smoke except for the limited size of the chip tray.  I am seriously looking into the smoke generator and am just wondering if you guys are using chips or pellets in this?
The MES smoke generator is nice, but I personally believe that you get a better quality smoke from the AMNPS products either n the chamber or with a mailbox mod. The that the smoke generation is made form actual fire rather than a heating element makes a difference IMHO. Tried it both ways and prefer the AMNPS and AMNTS as I was still getting the occasional bitter creosote flavor when using the smoke generator.

To answer your question the MES brand smoke generator take wood chips not pellets. Masterbuilt specifically says they only recommend chips, but I know some people do pellets or a mix of pellets and chips.
 
 
The MES smoke generator is nice, but I personally believe that you get a better quality smoke from the AMNPS products either n the chamber or with a mailbox mod. The that the smoke generation is made form actual fire rather than a heating element makes a difference IMHO. Tried it both ways and prefer the AMNPS and AMNTS as I was still getting the occasional bitter creosote flavor when using the smoke generator.

To answer your question the MES brand smoke generator take wood chips not pellets. Masterbuilt specifically says they only recommend chips, but I know some people do pellets or a mix of pellets and chips.
+1 for the AMNPS

With an AMNPS you can always double up the smoke by lighting two ends of the pellets.  Hell you can get really cute and light both ends of all rows of pellets to cause 6 X smoke but I think that is overkill and might actually end up in a whole tray on fire lol. 

I would only ever do 3X to try and get smoke into something that cooks quickly like boneless skinless chicken breasts.  I personally just stick with 2X on chicken and it does fine for me :)
 
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+1 for the AMNPS

With an AMNPS you can always double up the smoke by lighting two ends of the pellets.  Hell you can get really cute and light both ends of all rows of pellets to cause 6 X smoke but I think that is overkill and might actually end up in a whole tray on fire lol. 

I would only ever do 3X to try and get smoke into something that cooks quickly like boneless skinless chicken breasts.  I personally just stick with 2X on chicken and it does fine for me :)
Years ago I lit both ends one time, because I was having trouble getting AMNPS going full tilt.

About an hour later I had to put one end out, because the Smoke was way too heavy.

If it's lit properly, one end lit on an AMNPS should be Plenty.

Bear
 
 
Years ago I lit both ends one time, because I was having trouble getting AMNPS going full tilt.

About an hour later I had to put one end out, because the Smoke was way too heavy.

If it's lit properly, one end lit on an AMNPS should be Plenty.

Bear
I can see that.  I only do my 2X job on all this chicken i've been smoking lately.  I haven't had to do it for anything else and don't plan on it unless I find the item cooks too fast for enough smoke flavor to soak in.  I could also just cold smoke for a bit and then turn on the heat to my MES. I have some options :)
 
Hey Travisty, I agree 100%, fire = bad smoke.  With the MES add on I only get actual fire when I take the small lid off the vertical smoke chamber.  I think this allows to much air to enter the bottom where the electric elements are.  To much air equals fire and that's not good.
 
 
I can see that.  I only do my 2X job on all this chicken i've been smoking lately.  I haven't had to do it for anything else and don't plan on it unless I find the item cooks too fast for enough smoke flavor to soak in.  I could also just cold smoke for a bit and then turn on the heat to my MES. I have some options :)
I slow my Thighs up so it takes over 3 hours, by keeping it at 225° for the first 2 + hours. Gives it more Light Smoke time.

Then I usually give it all I got 275°, or at least 250°--260° to crisp up the skin.

Bear
 
I have the 40 inch Master built, My 3rd Master built in 9 years.  one was DOA and was replaced.  They require constant feeding (once every 40 minutes) with new chips.  I bought the AMPS and it goes out.  i guess not enough air in the box.  Anyway i started to use the pellets in the chip loader.  that does produce quite a bit of smoke.  usually use the pellets just when getting started, and wood chips afterward.  the flavor is fine in everything but a pork butt or brisket.  Rib roast is fine, plenty of smoke flavor.  Am very interested in finding out how the external smoke box works for cold smoking. 
 
I think they're talking about this gadget.  But hopefully, if that's wrong, someone will correct us:


I haven't tried this.  I've been using the AMNPS, myself, directly in the smoker, but with some modifications to the smoker to get more air to the AMNPS.

However, I will be building a mailbox setup, hopefully soon, so I can try that out with the AMNPS.  But really, for the price, this Masterbuilt accessory seems like it would be convenient, too.  I do like the idea of setting it some distance away from the smoker and connecting it through some length of aluminum duct to get some cooling of the smoke and perhaps condensation of heavier smoke constituents to "filter out" what might be harsher, creosote-like stuff before the smoke enters the smoker itself.

It does seem that one difference between an AMNPS in a mailbox versus this Masterbuilt accessory is that with the AMNPS in a mailbox, you're getting direct burning of the pellets, while with the Masterbuilt accessory, you're using a heating element to "roast" the chips.

I've always felt that there should be differences in the qualities of the smoke based on the way the "smoke fuel" is burned/heated.

Oxygen available should make a difference.

Combustion temperature should make a difference.

The form of the wood (pellets, dust, chips, chunks) should make a difference.

To me, the goal would be to have a system that allows me to set/adjust the amount of smoke as well as the quality of the smoke, and have that match what and how I'm "cooking" the product in the smoker.

I might want one kind of smoke for cold-smoking, since I know the cold foods will tend to cause the smoke to condense on the food.  Perhaps a lighter, lower-creosote smoke is necessary for cold smoking.  But when I'm cooking the food in the smoker at a rather high temperature, it might tolerate heavier smoke because the higher temperature of the food would not condense as much smoke onto it.  And of course, that also means that the qualities of the smoke might need to be adjusted throughout the cooking of foods because the surface temperature of the food will rise throughout the smoking/cooking process.  Perhaps too much heavy smoke early-on needs to be avoided, but maybe adjusting the smoke to be thicker as the food temperature rises would be a good thing.

I have to think that the surface temperature and moisture of the food will have a large effect on how the surfaces "capture" the smoke, and perhaps what components of the smoke are captured.  It's sort of like fractional distillation, where condensation temperatures are used to select the product you want to get.

So perhaps the smoke I'd want to deliver to the smoker chamber should be far different when I'm cold smoking cheese or the like versus the latter stages of cooking meat at a higher food-chamber temperature.

When I'm simply placing the AMNPS inside of my smoker, I have a hard time adjusting the smoke characteristics because the burning conditions are highly dependent on the food-chamber situation.  When my smoker is hot, it draws well, sucking a lot of air in if I let it do so.  That air allows my AMNPS to burn better and hotter.  On the other hand, when I'm cold smoking something, the draft is lower, and I have a harder time getting enough air to the AMNPS.  Now maybe that actually helps because it burns the pellets slower in a cold smoker than it does in a hot smoker, and maybe that's exactly what I want.  Then again, maybe it's exactly the opposite of what I want!

I have had at least one time when cold smoking some cheese, when I felt that the mailbox and some cooling/condensing pipe between the AMNPS chamber and the smoker would have been a very good thing.  It seemed that the smoldering pellets were giving off quite a bit of moisture (as one would expect, since any combustion produces CO2 and Water Vapor, of course).  And it seemed to me that there was actually visible steam leaving the vent of the smoker.  It was quite cold outside (around freezing).  And it seemed to me that some of the water vapor as well as smoke was condensing onto the cheese due to the cold temperatures of it all.

Anyhow, there's a lot to all of this.  I think we all have to experiment at our locations, in our weather, with our altitude, and in different cooking situations to come up with just the right kind and amount of smoke.

I have fantastic luck cooking pork butts at 225° here.  I get good draft through the smoker, and with the AMNPS in the smoker itself, things seem to always go just great.  And the same is true for a lot of "hot-smoked" foods.  But where I think I need to do more work is with my cold smoking, and that's why I am going to experiment with a mailbox and also might have to consider getting one of these Masterbuilt attachments to play with.

I've also considered building one of those smoke generators where you use an air pump to force air through a chamber full of pellets because it seems like I could then adjust the combustion easily regardless of the conditions in the food chamber.  It seems like it would be nice to be able to adjust the air-flow through the food chamber independently of the combustion air over the wood.  I might, for example, want to use a small fan to force air through the food chamber while cold-smoking.  That way, moisture and temperature in the chamber could be regulated.  Then, the smoke would be introduced into the incoming air-stream or directly into the food chamber from a separate smoke generator whose combustion conditions would be adjustable completely independent of the food chamber settings.

I would like to try a higher airflow through the food chamber while cold smoking, yet get a more leisurely air flow over the burning wood to get lighter smoke.  That way, moisture would be swept out of the food chamber, keeping things cool and dry, yet I could set the smoke density to be whatever I want.
 
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