THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I MEANT STEVE. I'M NOT POSITIVE BUT I BELIEVE DAVE IS STILL ALIVE AND KICKING. DAVE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN MIFFED, AND FOR GOOD REASON, WHEN SOME IDIOT CRITICIZED HIS FOOD SAFETY POSTS BEING ON THE FRONT PAGE SO OFTEN. THAT WAS JUST BEFORE THEY INCREASED THE SIZE OF THE FRONT PAGE. I HAD MAYBE A DOZEN TIMES OVER THE YEARS WHEN DAVE'S SAFETY POSTS HAD A DIRECT EFFECT ON SOMETHING I WAS DOING, SURE I'M NOT ALONE THERE. PEOPLE HE HELPED OUT WITH HIS KNOWLEGE OF HOW TO BUILD AN OFFSET SMOKER?, COUNTLESS! A LOT HAS CHANGED HERE, SOME GOOD THINGS, THO NOT ALL FOR THE BETTER. RAY