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thomasyoung

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Jul 4, 2009
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Hello everyone,
It was suggested from ShooterRick that if I wished to do a thread on Cutting Meat, Meat Cutters Exchange and local places to buy your meat” that Itoss it under General and he felt sure it will be found. So I will take him up on his idea and place it here. I also think that it warrants it’s own segment here on this site as it’s all related in my own opinion.
Coming here to your site was a real find. I spent more then 20 years as a Journeyman Meat Cutter. How about a section on: Cutting Meat, Meat Cutters Exchange (Meat cutters talking to other Meat Cutters and their resources), and above all where one can go in their own area to purchase meat other then going to the grocery store, and buying it at wholesale prices. I think it would be a great section and we can share with others how to look for good meat from not so good meat. At any rate that’s my two cents.

Thanks,
Thomas
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Ok, good idea. I would like to place the first question.

A couple of months ago I bought a large chuck roast from Sams. My nephew worked at Sams for years as a meat cutter and he tried to show me where the chuck steak roast included a large portion of "ribeye" in it. I think that's what he was trying to say. Sometimes he talks faster then a chain saw.

He said that if you know how to look at these large cuts you can basically buy higher quality cuts for the lower quality price. Can you tell me a bit more about what to look for at the meat counter to get the best cuts at the best prices.

Thanks

All
 
Something else he said was that the packs of ground meat in the display case are just the large chub packs run through the grinder again to bring out the nice red color. So you are buying older meat in the display packs. That's why they only leave it out for a day because it expires within 24 hours once the original seal is broken.

Thanks again

Al
 
Hello Al and everyone else who might be interested,
I hope that I have answered all of your questions below!

Let me answer your first question first. You asked: “A couple of months ago I bought a large chuck roast from Sam’s. My nephew worked at Sam’s for years as a meat cutter and he tried to show me where the chuck steak roast included a large portion of "ribeye" in it. I think that's what he was trying to say. Sometimes he talks faster then a chain saw.”


Right where the chuck begins from the rib section.



There is about two inches of smaller Rib Eye still there.




Sometimes in cutting and separating the Rib portion from the Chuck portion you will find a more appealing Rib Eye in the chuck section that looks just like the Rib section. That is not always the case as the Rib Eye do tend to get smaller at the beginning of the Chuck section. Please see Beef Cuts Image diagram. The Rib Eye is often called a Delmonico Steak when it is Boneless and a Rib Steak when it has the bone still attached. You can cut out the portion of the Rib Eye and cook it as a Delmonico Steak, Leaving the rest for a roast or you can cut it up in cubes for Beef Stew. The Chuck section also makes good ground beef, providing you get rid of the excess fat.
He said that if you know how to look at these large cuts you can basically buy higher quality cuts for the lower quality price. Can you tell me a bit more about what to look for at the meat counter to get the best cuts at the best prices?”

Things have changed since I was a Meat Cutter. In my day every thing came in on rails hanging from a meat hook. You would have your Front Section (Chuck, arm, rib and plate still connected) and your Hind Section (The Round with Shank, Sirloin tip, Sirloin, Flank and your Short Loin which consisted your Porterhouse and T-Bone Steaks. If you took off the Tenderloin from the Porterhouse you would have a Tenderloin Roast or steaks. The rest of the Porterhouse and t-bone minus the tenderloin would be called Strip Steaks) Now days every thing comes in boxes and are wrapped in Cryovac food packaging. No longer are the days where you had to know at what angle to cut out the Sirloin Tip to get the right cut for the Sirloin. It’s a good thing however the art is gone now in knowing how to separate the different cuts of meat. Now days you can find the larger sections of beef still whole. I believe this is what your nephew was speaking about. Those cuts are usually cheaper when you buy it at the bulk price and you can go from there and make it into steaks or roast. I’ve seen that they have the Sirloin Tip, Top Sirloin, Rib Eye, Brisket and boneless Chuck.


Something else he said was that the packs of ground meat in the display case are just the large chub packs run through the grinder again to bring out the nice red color. So you are buying older meat in the display packs. That's why they only leave it out for a day because it expires within 24 hours once the original seal is broken.

The large chubs of Ground meat that you see are usually ground in a course cut and then it’s wrapped in Cryovac food packaging to stop it from coming into the air. Once it’s open to the air it will begin to turn red. That’s when the meat Department would grind it into a finer cut. The meat then takes on a beautiful red color. It only stays red for so long before turning a gray- brownish color. If they take the meat again and re-grind it, the meat will be a pale looking color that’s does not look good. That’s why they grind there meat at different times of the day and only when they need it. Other wise it gets tossed! What would you buy a nice rosy color of ground meat or something that looks like you should bury it. Here is one more thing for your information and even before my time as a Meat Cutter. The Butchers at one time would sprinkle sugar over their ground meat and the different cuts of Beef to keep the red color longer. Now days that is against the law.

Thomas
 
Thanks Werdwolf,
I'm hoping that this thread becomes a topic all by itself for other Meat Cutters to talk to each other across the US. Plus being able to help those who are interested in the topic by helping them. I now have in the works a large smoker/Grill being made for me. I sure would like to know where everybody else gets their meat supply. Or to be able to get my meat from a Meat Packing Plants to cut the cost.
Thomas
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Since you live in Northern Ohio... Have you ever heard of a Grocery Store Chain that was in Michigan and part of Ohio called "Farmer Jack"? Thats one of the chains I use to work for and the one while working as a meat cutter.
 
I think this is an idea worth discussion so lets see how all this goes. I for one find it a topic worth at least knowing in a general sense. As lovers of the low and slow we have learned to take what many consider less desirable cuts of meat and turn them into wonderful tender fair. I have to kick myself into remembering that a Ribeye steak smoked with pecan and then seared on a grill is also a wonderful thing indeed.

To buy larger bulk cuts and break them down myself for a savings is certainly worth my time and effort so all you meat cutters come one and all. Share your knowledge with us and we will share ours with you.
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"Sometimes in cutting and separating the Rib portion from the Chuck portion you will find a more appealing Rib Eye in the chuck section that looks just like the Rib section."


At the Meat Dept I work at we call the first 3-4 cuts Off of the Chuck "Chuck-eye steaks".
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We remove the tougher bottom portion ,to be cut into stew, and you are left with a nice tender steak that we charge $4.99lb Instead of $10.99lb that we charge for the ribeye steak. since we pay less for the chuck we pass that savings on to the smart and informed customer,which is now you!!!! So come on over and buy some meat!
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Thanks for the explanation Thomas

My nephew claims that every once in a while you can find a pretty large protion of the demonical steak still attached to the chuck. These are not large pieces of meat we ar talking about. Please correct me if I'm wrong but it's buying a 5-8 lb chuck and cutting of a 12 oz ribeye for your lunch. You are buying the chuck to grind up for burgers or put in the slow cooker so may as well pull out the steak.

Any other of these hints? It's tough finding a real butcher shop down here that gets good primal cuts of meat. Most of the country butchers buy local beef and we just don't get the same quality as the corn states produce.

Al
 
Those were up closer to Toledo. If I remember correct that store closed, or was it the whole chain?
 
Scuba,

First time I have seen that link. Looks like with all the cross-sections available I should be able to see exactly what you all are talking about. I have a hard time looking at a piece of meat and relating that to the postion in the carcass.

Al
 
I live in OakHarbor about 5 Miles From the northshore of Ohio on Lake Erie. 30 mins east of toledo. I work at an Independant Grocery store Millers markets. 4 stores in Ohio 3 in indiana and @ in michigan.
I'm the meat dept manager at the Genoa Ohio store.
 
Hello SmokingOhioButcher,
If you're talking about the chain I use to work for, Yes Farmer Jack, owned by the Borman Family is no more. I first started to work for them in the mid 60's and at that time they were calling their stores "Food Fair". Around 1966, as best as I can remember they changed the name to "Farmer Jack". They became Borman's Inc. and in the late 80's A&P bought them out. I retired from them at that time before the take over. IMO A&P never did do a great business in the Detroit area, I feel that FJ was doomed from that point on. Like I said IMO.

Anyway it's great to be a part of this SMF and to meet such wonderful people. I'm sure we all have our stories to tell too.

Thanks,
Thomas
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We use to do the same till we had enough that was needed to fill the counter. Other then that we would cut the blade portion into steaks or roast. At times we even de-boned the chuck and took the part of meat under the blade bone and made them into Chuck Fillets Steaks or rost. the part above we would either make stew, pepper steaks (sliced thin) or make cube steaks.

Thanks,
Thomas
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