OK it started as a simple I just want to make a fatty.. then after readin way to much at insomniac times (read as deep am).. I felt I could do no harm it was and is still is my first fatty.. just a great invention I think thank you all for introducing me to this art.. it ROCKS.. it was a turkey base with parsley chopped, green onion, and panko crumbs to the meat mix. the fillin was a feta, spinich, sundried tomatos. yum with a bacon weave and smoked on cherry and apple. yum.. next time I'll just use the johnson ville chub and stick to tillamook.