Water Stall?

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ronp

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I wanted to check the temp on my MES tonight. So, I set the temp to 230 and put a glass of water in there with 2 probes from my Taylors. After a couple of hours they stalled at 155'. I raised the temp to 240' and after another couple of hours it stalled at 170". I finally quit.

WTF?

Where's Ritcthee when you need a scientist?

Anyone?

Thanks..
 
I am no Richtee, nor do I play him on a TV show, but I must say that sounds really strange!....( Taylors bad? )
 
Well they both read the same, don't know. I just stuck a dial in the water, and it was 150" Who knows I will try again.
 
By chance is the a problem with you cooker, i would think there would be faster response to you increasing the temp, was 1 of them probes out of the water, did you see a temp differential?
 
Rich is the mad scientist on the forum but while he's cavorting with his buddies on a golf weekend, lemmie see if I can try to help out ...
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Couple things come to mind before trying to diagnose this sucker:

1. Did the probes go through the boiling water test for accuracy? Gotta start with that first to make sure the probes are working well.
2. If you put the smoker temp at 230 and a glass of water in there, would the glass of water really hit 230 as well? I wouldn't think so as the glass and the water absorb the heat so the water may not actually reflect the smoker temp. Instead of sticking the probes in a glass of water to measure the smoker temp, put a probe through an onion or potato and sit it at grate level. That will give a more accurate reading of the inside of the smoker and will reflect what the meats inside the smoker are "feeling".

Just my $0.02....
 
Laurels got ya on the right track.

First, test them thermo's out in boilin water, should read near 212 degree's dependin on yer altitude, a few degree's one way er the other.

Then let them hang in the air inside yer smoker, In this here case the Glass an water er actin like an insulator, gonna take a fair mount a time ta get the water to temp. Sides, yall wanna know what the air temp is inside yer box not that glass a water. I hang my probes offin a rack in the side of the box, bein sure they ain't touchin nothin, right bout at meat level. Seen clothespins used to hold em in place which is pure genius! Yall try that, an I think ya get what yer lookin fer.
 
Agreeing with travcoman, the glass acts as an insulator. Try it again with a metal container filled with water and the heat would transfer better
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. Plus checking the actual air temp on each rack would be a better test, the water will only get 212, until it boils off.
 
You aren't going to get the water to 230 degrees if that's what you are looking for. Boiling point is 212 and it won't get to that with a 230 degree smoker. Even when I used my gasser and it was putting out 350 the water in the pan wasn't boiling.

What are you trying to accomplish? Maybe we can help :)
 
Thanks for the feed back, I know about the potato for checking but didn't have one. I figured after almost 4 hours the water would reach a close temp to compare.

I was trying to see how accurate the temp on the MES was to the Taylors. I just used 230 for no reason exept the alttude here is high. No, I wasn't trying to boil water, I have a heck of a time on the stove
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, pasta takes almost 20 minutes when directions say 10.

I just now turned on the timers and the MES without actually turning on the MES heat and the temps were 71 on the Taylors and 77 on the MES, so there is some difference.

I guess if I was smoking meat I wouldnt have too much time on my hands
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to do dumb experiments, I'll just get a potato. It's not like I have been having trouble with the food or anything.

Thanks again.
 
I bought a potato tonight. It was in at 220 for four hours and never reached temps. It also stallled at 170' and after 4 hours it was 190'. I also boiled water and the Taylor showed 218' . I only want to know how accurate the MES is. What do I trust?

I also had another probe dangling as suggested not touching anything and it was off the wall, very high.
 
Sumosmoke is on the right trail.
 
Back to my original reply. Lets do some deductive reasoning, your Taylor's are on or at least close, WHY does it take you so long to get to temp. Is there a remote chance there is a problem with your cooker , you should not have this much trouble getting to temp?
 
Another question. When you put the probe in the potato, did you just stick it into it or push it all the way through so the tip of the probe sticks out an inch or so.
 
Here's how I'd do this. Take one thermo, usin tongs hold the probe in a pan a boilin water so that it touch's nothin but water, take yer readin. Should be in the neighborhood a 212 degree's give er take accordin ta yer altitude.

Now, take that same thermo out ta yer rig, place the probe some where bought in the middle of yer box. Put water in yer pan an have the chip box over yer burner (Ya don't need chips er chunks in it). Now, start a smoke just like ya always do. That probe is gonna give ya the air temp in the middle a yer box. That's whats doin the cookin. Now in an empty box, it shouldn't take real long ta get ta temp. I'd use 250 degree's just cause it is where most a the smokin is done.

Now, ifin yer not gettin ta temp in an empty box fairly quick, yall got the burner down to low, er there be a problem someplace with the heatin side a thins. I can crank up the burner on the GOSM an be ta temp in bout 15 minutes. Then adjust the knob ta hold between 225 an 250.

Got ta thinkin bout this some, we are interested in the air temp here, gettin it ta 250, our food never reach's that temp, more in the 170 - 200 degree range. So at this point leave the food out of the equasion, just worry bout air temp. When yer satisfied with that, make up a fatty an smoke it. I generally take them ta bout 162 degree's, so have a second tested probe fer the fatty, It should take from 2 ta 3 hours ta get a 2 plus pound fatty ta 162 in a 250 smoker. That time is just an estimate based on the records of the fatties I've done.


Hope it heps.
 
Ok, Mystery solved.
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The MES has at least one heat sensor that I found. It is mounted on the back wall on the left. It doesn't measure the air temp but the unit itself, makes sense to me. That's why I used the water to begin with. I did another test tonight and made sure the probe was stcking out of the potato at least 1/2 inch. Everything checked out within a few degrees after reaching temps. The Taylor did spike when the heat was on, Now I can understand why. I still wonder why the water didn't work, but who cares, I know the food is always great, according to the charts, ETC.

Now, I have a different problem. After opening the door tonight the door wouldn't close properly. After jacking around for a while, I discovered that either the door warped under the heat (only 230) or it was the drip pan. When I took out the pan the door closed fine. Everyting is cooled down now, and it is the same.

I have been promoting the MES here and I will tell you what, I will get to the bottom of the problem with them. I will demand a new unit with a current build date, not last years, tomorrow, or I will keep taking them back to Sam's and demand a resoultion. If you have a problem, and can't get it resolved, you can contact me via private message and see if I can help. So far CS has been good with a few glitches.

Good luck and enjoy your MES.
 
Just an update. I called customer service and really got no where. I was told that I have the current model and there werent any updates. Well, mine was built in April of 07. I don't buy that, as I know there have been some revisions since that. I was told that about the chip loader, but when I got the new one, they made changes.

So, I don't trust them. They are good but i still don't trust them.

I am going to meet with Sam's Club Manager tomorrow to see if I can get a new model from the factoy.

I'll keep you updated.
 
Ron...add some extra latches to have it seal nice and tight (one top, one bottom). Under heat my door bows out at the bottom. I also bent that flap on the bottom inside of the door up a little to clear the drip pan (most likely your prob), otherwise it will push on the pan and your door might not close all the way.
 
I just dd that and it worked. Thank you.
 
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