Noob brisket question..

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husker3in4

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I love smoking meats, but always stick to pork butts, ribs (spares and babyback) and riblets. I tried a brisket once years ago and was left wondering why I spent so much money on the meat when ribs taste much better.

I want to give it another shot. I know there is the flat and the point, my question is, if I separate the two before smoking, will it dry out the flat? Is there a benefit or drawback to just smoking it all together and then separating?

I usually dont put a water pan when Im smoking my butts or ribs, but since this is a longer smoke, would a water pan make the brisket more tender?

What about injecting it?
 
I had good results doing last couple briskets separating the 2 . I was careful to run the knife as to leave a fat layer on the flat that was between the 2.
You get more smoke and bark on pieces individually.
I wrapped mine in thick foil with a 1/4 cup of beef broth and finished it to 200+. I wrapped it at about 165. both pieces I did that . worked good.

Water pan I left covered but empty.

Even whole brisket should be about same time as a 5 lb pork butt. it kinda goes more by thickness as opposed to weight.

Inject it with some rub mixed in your beef broth maybe.. Never tried it on briskets.

Don't forget you can cheat and go up to 300 to finish it to probe tender. Or use the oven to speed along.
 
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Sounds good actually. I never really want anything I smoke to be "fall apart tender" but when it comes to brisket, I want it to fall apart, so whatever I need to do to make it the most tender would be ideal.

When you wrapped yours, did you put it in an aluminum pan, add the broth, then cover it with foil? or did you wrap the brisket itself in foil?
 
You can choose to go through the stall period with your brisket wrapped till the internal temp is up in the 180s and then unwrap to finish up. That will help keep a bit More texture on the bark. Save the juices.
Let the brisket sit unwrapped for a good 20 minutes and then wrap it back up to sit and hour or 3 using the cooler and towels method.
 
I love smoking meats, but always stick to pork butts, ribs (spares and babyback) and riblets. I tried a brisket once years ago and was left wondering why I spent so much money on the meat when ribs taste much better.

I want to give it another shot. I know there is the flat and the point, my question is, if I separate the two before smoking, will it dry out the flat? Is there a benefit or drawback to just smoking it all together and then separating?

I usually dont put a water pan when Im smoking my butts or ribs, but since this is a longer smoke, would a water pan make the brisket more tender?

What about injecting it?


husker, there is no right or wrong and there are at least to legitimate answers to each of your questions. Spend some time with the search function. You will have more material than you can read in a week! Seriously, its worth spending a couple hours searching this forum for brisket.

As to your questions specifically:
*Most folks don't separate the point from the flat when cooking. But it is perfectly fine and can yield great results. It will cut down on cooking time. Some say keeping it together helps is stay moist, but there have been contest winners that separate. I keep mine packers whole. I do trim them a bit. Search for trimming brisket too.
*Water pan is fine. Many use it, many don't. Not sure it will make it more tender but some think it helps with keeping it moist. I have my own theories but I'll save that for another day. I typically don't use water but I have. A water pan does help regulate temps in you smoker, so if you have an erratic smoker using a water pan can help.
*Injecting, like everything else, is subjective. I have and often do inject. Commercial brisket injections are excellent but some do add phosphors and even MSG. Some folks use beef broth and that is probably the most popular. My favorite commercial injection is Big Poppa's Cattleprod. I use it at half strength. I use it on less that half of the briskets I do.

Now, here is the big secret to cooking brisket:
1-Know your smoker temp
2-Know your meat temp
3-Cook it til its done.
That's it. You can do any of the other variables in your original post (water pan, inject, no water pan, etc.) but if you do those 3 things I just listed you will be fine.

To expand a bit:
1-Smoker temp-Somewhere between 225 and 375 is acceptable. I suggest using something closer to 225 until you get a few under your belt.
2-Cook your meat to ~190 and start checking for doneness. I usually find my briskets are done to my satisfaction at ~204* internal temp IN THE FLAT! Forget the temp in the point. It is meaningless and useless (I am sure someone will disagree but for now, forget the point temp).
3-The brisket is done when a probe (not a probe as thick as a pencil), perhaps your temp probe will go into the flat with ease. Some say it should feel like butter. But you want very little resistance to probing IN THE FLAT! Many folks swear by the toothpick test, where a toothpick is used instead of a probe.

****The reason cooking til its done is so important is 99.9999% of the time when someone says their brisket was not tender, it was not cooked long enough***** The other .0001% of the time is because it was sliced incorrectly. You can dry out a brisket by cooking too long, but it will still be tender and fall apart. If it aint tender it aint cooked. Period.

One last thing, and this will draw the ire of many a good SMF members, but I suggest wrapping your brisket once you obtain a nice bark. It will speed up the smoke and may help with keeping it moist. Notice I said "may help with keeping it moist". This is not scientific (I don't think so anyway). Foil or butcher paper is fine. Or even a foil pan covered tightly in foil.

Have fun and post pics and let us know how it turns out.
 
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I don’t separate the point and flat. I use an offset stick burner, so I just put the flat to the cooler end (left side). I wrap the whole thing with pink butcher paper when the IT hits around 180 and take it to 205 that way. I don’t use a water pan. The type of smoker you use makes a difference. The flat will get “done” before the point, but wrapping kind of evens it out.
Check out an Aaron Franklin video on YouTube...
 
Thanks for the tips! I think I have a handle on what I want to do, but still shopping for the meat. I find that a while packer is cheaper by the point than a brisket flat (2x the price!). But if I buy the packer and smoke it all together, wont the flat be done before the point will since the point area is much thicker?
 
No because the point has more fat than the flat and is not as dense .. you will see. It’s a big hunk of meat, if you take it to 203-205 and let’s it rest two hours
It will be delishous ..
One of my first Briskets I Smoked was like 14 lbs. I read somewhere that it’s like 1 1/2 hrs per pound at 225 .. so I did the math and came up with 20-21 hours.. so I started at 5:30 pm sat for a Sunday dinner at 5!!
Long story short it finished at 11:30 sat night.. so into the cooler with towels and blankets . 17 hours later took it out
It was still hot and like butter.. beginners luck.. so trust me . It will be fine.
 
So I just went to the store over lunch and picked up a 5lb flat. I plan on smoking at 225, and want it to be ready at 6pm tomorrow (saturday). I work from 8am to noon saturday. Should I put it on tonight at midnight? or Tomorrow at 7am? Ive read greatly varying estimated cooking times. I just want to make sure Im home or awake for when I need to take it off (or wrap it if I am wrapping it).

Do you think I should wrap it at 150 degrees, being that its a flat and may dry out more?

Also, to sauce, or not to sauce? Should I sauce it up for the last hour its in the smoker? or does one not apply sauce until after its sliced?
 
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I would put it on before you leave for work in the morning. If you put it on at midnight, it could easily be finished before you are home from work. I usually only wrap depending on color - but as this is your first attempt and it's a flat, wrapping might be a good idea. I would never add sauce while it's cooking. Let folks add sauce to their plates.
And to reiterate, do not cook by time or temp. It's done when you can insert a probe with very little resistance.
 
I woke up way too early for a Saturday and got the brisket in the smoker at 7:20am, just enough time for me to take a shower and get to work. I trimmed a little of the fat layer off, but left most of it to try and retain moisture. I thought about injecting it, and even bought the needle for it, but decided against it for this smoke. I covered it in a rub/oil mixture and put it fat side down in my smoker (MES).

I got my AMNPS filled with hickory pellets and lit it on both ends. When I do find BBQ I really like (which isnt often, most of it is sub par), it usually is only lacking one thing: more smoke. I want to try to make this brisket pretty smokey.

I busted out my old water pan and put a little water in it for this smoke. Maybe the extra moisture inside will help the smoke flavor stick?

I plan on checking it for being done around 200 degrees, sound about right?

I will likely wrap it, but wont get home until probably 1pm. At what temp is it too late to wrap?

Below are a couple of pics, I will add more when its done.



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>I plan on checking it for being done around 200 degrees, sound about right?

I would start checking at 190. Last brisket I cooked low/slow finished at 193.
 
By the time I got home at 1pm, it was already at 180, so I figured there wasnt much a reason to wrap it at that point.

As far as checking for it to be done, wont all that poking it release the juices on the inside?
 
Its 4:20 where Im at, its been on for 9 hours and its still only at 184. when I came home from work at 1, it was at 180, so its only gained 4 degrees in 3 hours. I need it to be ready in about 2 hours. Should I just stick it thru as it could bust thru the stall and still reach 200 in 2 hours? or should I def wrap it now cause thats the only chance I have of it hitting 200 in time?
 
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