MES 30 improvements on smoke consistency?

Discussion in 'Electric Smokers' started by fa1321tx, Mar 15, 2015.

  1. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    "Mac" ???

  2. fa1321tx

    fa1321tx Smoke Blower

  3. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Movie quote. One of my favorite movie musicals is "Damn Yankees" and it's a line from the movie. The Devil named Applegate is standing on the baseball field with his rookie prospect and the team manager tells him he has to go up into the stands because the field is reserved for ballplayers. The manager says, "You don't mind, do you?" Applegate looks at him for a beat and says, "Love it, mac. Just love it."

    I just like that line and use it all a lot.
  4. fa1321tx

    fa1321tx Smoke Blower

    My AMNPS came today and does fit to the left of the chip tray in my MES30. Do I remove the chip loader all the way or partially when I use the AMNPS?
  5. I believe Todd's instructions say to move it a couple inches out and do the same with the chip tray itself. I know some on here don't do anything and haven't had any issues at all. Try it both ways and see which works best for you. 
  6. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I never touch my chip drawer or the dumper.

    It depends on your MES, but I know some who did those things, started it because they didn't get it lit properly in the first place, and some have since stopped doing those things.

  7. daricksta

    daricksta Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I've left it in, left it out a couple of inches per Todd's suggestion but with my MES 30 Gen 1 not sure how much difference pulling out the wood chip loader a mite did. But I'm a minimalist smoker like Bear. I try to stick to the basics of using the smoker. The only mod I've done is to bring in the AMNPS. I never use wood chips anymore.
  8. daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    If you have trouble with the maze burning, it needs oxygen or drier pellets... Those are the words from the designer of the maze... Todd Johnson... Since you live in Seattle, altitude is not a problem.....
  9. fa1321tx

    fa1321tx Smoke Blower

    My propane torch was empty so no maze tonight. Lucky I still have wood chips for my fajitas! I fried (dumb move) one of my igrill probes has anyone mounted a ambient temp gauge on the the door of their MES30 since the built in sensors is known to be way off on temps?
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2015
  10. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I would think a gauge in the door would be similar to the MES sensor.

    It's not so much that they are wrong, it's more of the fact that they are not where the meat is, or where each other are. My MES numbers are much closer to my Maverick's once the smoker settles in & has most of the interior at the same temp. When the temp is in the middle of rising & falling, the Mavericks are quicker to change, but they all level out more later in the smoke.

    Just my 2 Piasters.

  11. fa1321tx

    fa1321tx Smoke Blower

    Trying my smoker today with the AMNPS I agree people may be having issues lighting it. I used a propane torch and it took a bit to get it to burn good. I'm doing chicken quarters I'm not sure if I stuck my probe in the right place but it seems like they're cooking really fast. My MES30 is set at 240. How long should they take?
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2015
  12. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I'm thinking in the neighborhood of 3 hours.

    Here's some Thighs I did with times & temps:

    Chicken Thighs (Hickory Smoked)

  13. fa1321tx

    fa1321tx Smoke Blower


    What temp did you let the chicken get to? 165?
  14. fa1321tx

    fa1321tx Smoke Blower

    What temp do you remove the chicken?
  15. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Thanks for the heads up!!  I fixed that Step by Step.

    I can't believe I didn't mention that. I always take them to 165° or better. They usually run from 165° to 175°. 

    My other Thigh smoke, was noted, they ranged from "165° to 172°".

  16. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Try "Cold Smoking" a steak for 45 minutes, and then finish it hot and fast on your grill

    It's called "Reverse Sear", and the method used on the Grill Competition Circuit

  17. fa1321tx

    fa1321tx Smoke Blower

    Tried the Chicken I made with the AMNPS today and it was good but I wish it had more smoke flavor. I noticed during the cook the smoke didnt get real steady until the second hour. Am I doing it wrong or is that normal?
    If it is normal this brings me back to questioning this vs the chip loader for short cooks like 2-3 hours.

    I am cooking a brisket in two weeks and really want to master the AMNPS so I can set it and walk away.

    1. Do pecan pellets do well in the AMNPS?
    2. Enough smoke for a 10.50 pound brisket?
    3. Should I start a new thread about my brisket? I have some timing questions as this is for a family event and I want a home run brisket this time!!
  18. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Couple things......

    I find that I get kinda immune to the smoke taste and smell on the day we smoke.  The next day my food has a great smokey flavor.

    We actually prefer Beer Can Chicken, so I cold smoke my chicken for an hour or 2 and then 45 min on the grill.  If you want extra smoke flavor, try smoking for an hour or so before you turn the heat on.

    If your pellets are not dry, the smoke can be light for the first 30 min. or so, but then get stronger as the pellets dry out.

    Try nuking your pellets for 60 seconds before lighting and see if they produce more smoke

    Light both ends for more smoke

    Make sure the exhaust is WIDE open, pull the chip pan out 1.5" and pull the chip loader out 2"

    Don't use water in the water pan, because it creates way too much moisture inside the MES

  19. fa1321tx

    fa1321tx Smoke Blower

    Todd thanks I will try everything you mentioned but I am a little concerned about the brisket drying out with no water? I have the pellets that came free with the AMNPS ( thank you!) do you think they would be good for brisket or should I order some pecan pellets?
  20. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I inject my briskets with a mix of beef broth and Sprite. 

    Smoke my briskets until the hit 120° or until they start to drip juice

    I place them in a pan with beef broth, onions and carrots.

    At about 165°, I foil and cook to 195°

    Into a cooler for an hour to rest

    Doesn't matter if I use my MES or Pellet Grill, It's the same method for me

    The water pan in the MES is too large for the size of the cabinet and creates too much steam.

    The steam mixes with the smoke and can cause "Black Rain" inside your smoker

    If you really think you need a water pan, use a small loaf pan on one of the lower shelves

    The pellets that came with the AMNPS are a mix of Cherry, Hickory and Maple.  It's a great all around blend.

    Pecan is similar to hickory, but not as strong.  I like Pecan on beef roasts and briskets


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