Pork Spareribs Questions

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daricksta

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I'm about to smoke my second batch of spareribs and I want to do it a little differently than last time. I'm going to use my MES30.

First question: Since I plan to have the ribs marinate all night in a dry rub, what do you think of swabbing them down with a wet BBQ sauce mop before I put them in the smoker?

Second question: How many of you finished off smoked ribs on a charcoal grill? I've seen that done but not really sure why the BBQ pitmaster did it. I have a Weber charcoal kettle I would use. If finishing it on the grill, how long do I leave them on the coals?

Third question: If I do finish up the ribs on the Weber, should I mop them with BBQ sauce at that point instead of mopping them when I stick them inside the MES? Or both?
 
Many sauces have a high sugar content that burns pretty easily that's why many of us sauce the last 30 minutes or so if we sauce at all.
 
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I'm about to smoke my second batch of spareribs and I want to do it a little differently than last time. I'm going to use my MES30.

First question: Since I plan to have the ribs marinate all night in a dry rub, what do you think of swabbing them down with a wet BBQ sauce mop before I put them in the smoker? Depending on the Sauce it may very well Burn during the time the ribs are smoking and you want the Smoke to flavor the Meat not just the Sauce on the surface. Add it at the end.

Second question: How many of you finished off smoked ribs on a charcoal grill? I've seen that done but not really sure why the BBQ pitmaster did it. I have a Weber charcoal kettle I would use. If finishing it on the grill, how long do I leave them on the coals? You can finish on the grill if you wish. If your grill temp is low, 225*F you can go the last hour of 3-2-1. Otherwise complete the smoke in the MES then toss them on the Grill and brush them with sauce turning frequently just until the sauce caramelizes and the ribs are hot. Too long and the sauce will Burn.

Third question: If I do finish up the ribs on the Weber, should I mop them with BBQ sauce at that point instead of mopping them when I stick them inside the MES? Or both? Sauce at the end. Good luck...JJ
 
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Agreed on the sauce and sugar...

If you wish to finish on the grill, smoke until nearly done to your liking, based on pull-back, bend-test, etc, then grill over very high heat for just a couple minutes per side, if it's the slightly charred look with grill marks that you're after. Remember that with high sugar content on the surface, it will scorch fairly quickly, so keep a close eye on them.

Eric
 
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Thank you everyone, This is what I wanted to know. I don't think it's worth it to bring it the Weber and fire it up just for minutes or so. I really want a wet look to the ribs, that's why I was aiming to put some sauce on at the end.

I read Jeff's newsletter on baby back ribs and he talked about the 2-2-1 method (3-2-1 for spareribs like what I'm cooking) but that he prefers to cook his ribs uncovered for 5 hours (6 hours, or whenever it's done to my liking for the spareribs).

Pineywoods, Chef JimmyJ, forluvofsmoke, what do you think--3-2-1 or uncovered? I cooked my first racks of spareribs uncovered last time. For this batch, I really want to avoid thick black bark; I want the wet, saucy look. I read TulsaJeff's smoking ribs newsletter and he used a dry rub only and got the look I'm after without using a mop. He advocates cooking the ribs uncovered instead of 3-2-1 but also writes that there are no rules (outside of professional competitions) and to do whatever one wants. Since I'm still learning what I want, what do you suggest to avoid the black bark look? Again, I'll be smoking the ribs in my MES 30 using wood chips instead of wood pellets this time, and I do believe I'll cook them the last hour on my charcoal grill, mopping on the sauce at the very end.
 
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3-2-1 cooks a bit faster in relation to pull-back and tenderness, and foiling does soften the bark quite a bit. I've used no-foil method for years, then tried variations of 3-2-1 and I liked the ease of getting very tender ribs. You can vary the times on open grate vs foiled to achieve tenderness ranging from bone-popping (overcooked, IMO, but many like 'em that way) to slightly firm but tender ribs with a light to heavy bark. More foiled time = more tender, more open grate @ the end = heavier bark.

If you want a relatively sticky rib with a moderate chew on the surface and medium tenderness, you might consider applying sauce immediately after removing from foil with a 3-1.5-1.5. For more tender interior, less exterior chew and less sticky sauce, 3-2-1 is a good starting point. The longer the sauce is on the ribs on open grates, the stickier it will get. With saucing, you will reduce/omit setting of the bark as well, and the earlier you sauce, the less time for the bark to set.

3-2-1 and variants give a wider variety of textures with your ribs. I have done 3-3-0 / 4-2-0 for tender to fall apart ribs with no bark, and 3-2.5-0.5 for tender rib with just enough bark to help it hold together...it just depends what you're after.

Straight open grate smoking will give a more firm texture and most developed bark, and the time your sauce is allowed to cook on the ribs will determine the overall moisture content of the sauce...more time = more sticky, less time = more wetness.

It's a coin-toss if you want to experiment a bit. No-foil is more of a purist form of hot smoking and carries a learning curve like anything else. It will yield a firmer interior with less shrinkage (due to lower average cooking chamber humidity, I suspect), but when done correctly, they can be very moist and relatively tender eating ribs. If you can play with chamber humidity, you can get a better finished product. Wet smoke (high humidity) provides the highest degree of smoke reaction, though if sustained, can cause a drier interior meat. If humidity is reduced mid-way through cooking, it can tighten the meat's surface fibers and create a barrier to reduce internal moisture evaporation. This also enhances the formation of bark, which can later be softened by elevated humidity at the end of cooking. Wet/dry/wet for smoke reaction, moisture retention and softer bark, wet/dry for smoke reaction with a well developed and very firm to crisp bark.

I hope that gives you a bit more insight as to how it all comes together. I'll be smoking a couple slabs of spares today in a vertical charcoal smoker (Brinkmann Gourmet), using the above method (wet to dry smoke chamber). Maybe I'll post the process and results later this evening so you can see how that works out...doesn't really help you with the saucing part of your rib cooking process, as I won't be saucing, but it may give you a few things to consider for future rib smokes regarding interior moisture retention.

Eric
 
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Eric, you just gave an amazing reply. it's what I love about real BBQ--so many options and choices. I'm going to go 3-2-1 with the "1" being on my charcoal grill with medium heat. i like the purist non-foil method for the less shrinkage, but I will be using my water tray while smoking so that will maintain the humidity.

The texture I'm going for is chewy but tender meat, and firm outside but not much bark, and a little sticky from the sauce which I'll apply to the ribs on the grill during the last few minutes. However, I'm copy/pasting your reply to a Word doc and I'm printing it out for future reference. Thank you so much for your informative and educational reply.
 
I'm about to smoke my second batch of spareribs and I want to do it a little differently than last time. I'm going to use my MES30.

First question: Since I plan to have the ribs marinate all night in a dry rub, what do you think of swabbing them down with a wet BBQ sauce mop before I put them in the smoker?
I don't mop my ribs except at the table. Sauce on the side works best for us.

Second question: How many of you finished off smoked ribs on a charcoal grill? I've seen that done but not really sure why the BBQ pitmaster did it. I have a Weber charcoal kettle I would use. If finishing it on the grill, how long do I leave them on the coals?
That's way too much trouble for me. Why have 2 fires when 1 will do just as well.

Third question: If I do finish up the ribs on the Weber, should I mop them with BBQ sauce at that point instead of mopping them when I stick them inside the MES? Or both?Like I said you don't need 2 fires and you don't need the mess on the smoker or the grill because you can sauce at the table.

I suggest you work on the 3-2-1 method. I am still having trouble keeping my temps low enough to go the whole 3 hours before foiling. Usually I get 2 to 2-1/2 hours in and see they need some moisture. I then foil in extra heavy duty aluminum and pour in a quarter to half a cup of apple juice and about 2 tbs of apple cider vinegar. I use Jeff's rub before putting them in the smoker. Another reason my ribs seem to cook faster is that I use a mini-WSM which means I have to cut the ribs in roughly half. They cook faster and generally require less moisture added in the second step. Without the second step, mine almost always get dry. With the wrap they stay moist.

Looks like you're on the right track. Cook them and if they don't come out to your satisfaction remember what you did and/or come back here for Q&A.

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Does anyone have any opinions on using the water bowl with the smoker? I know that Todd of A-MAZE-N says using the water bowl just gives meat a steam bath, but I thought the water bowl was essential to maintaining humidity so the meat wouldn't need a mop? Is there a consensus here?

And for the part where the ribs would be wrapped in foil, does anyone recommend pouring in something like apple juice into the foil?

Lastly, I plan to use the BBQ sauce as a glaze during the last couple of minutes or so.
 
Here is my recipe and procedure for Foiling.  http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/110881/foiling-juice-chef-jimmyj  This is what they look like in the end. The shine is just from brushing the reduced foiling juice no other type of sauce added. These were done ALL smoker no grill time... JJ

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Does anyone have any opinions on using the water bowl with the smoker? I know that Todd of A-MAZE-N says using the water bowl just gives meat a steam bath, but I thought the water bowl was essential to maintaining humidity so the meat wouldn't need a mop? Is there a consensus here?

And for the part where the ribs would be wrapped in foil, does anyone recommend pouring in something like apple juice into the foil?

Lastly, I plan to use the BBQ sauce as a glaze during the last couple of minutes or so.
Too much humidity is not a good thing. If a water pan is steaming away lots of water, and you have meat close to the pan, directly above on the lowest grate, for example, you won't get much smoke, just steamed meat.

Water in the pan does several things: it keeps the surface of the meat moist so it stays porous to take in smoke; it helps to reduce high chamber temp spikes through water evaporation; it helps as a thermal sink to reduce temporary low chamber temps (from chamber openings, wind gusts, etc)

If waster is used throughout the smoke, and if humidity levels are too high (water pan too close to heat source causing high evaporation rates), the meat can begin to dry out towards the end of cooking.

To avoid drying out of the meat, it needs to skin-over at some point. The earlier it skins-over, the more moisture it can retain. The drawback to using no added water for the duration of the smoke is that you may experience less smoke reaction, depending on the type of smoker you are using.

I've been using pea-gravel in the water recently (sand works, too) for a thermal mass and drier smoke chamber, and the results are not quite what I expected for finished product. Smoke reaction time is greatly reduced because the meat's surface dries too quickly. Moisture retention has been the most noticeable benefit. Now I'm trying to find that happy medium between smoke reaction time with a wet smoke chamber vs dry smoke chamber time for moisture retention in the meat.

Eric
 
Eric, my head is spinning with all this stuff. When I open up the smoker to put the ribs in foil, I'll check the water level in the pan. What I'll do is dump the water while the ribs are covered up. I'll also stop using the wood chips during that time.  I hope I got a skin on the ribs. "Skin" was the word I was trying to use when describing the surface texture I wanted.

We have lots of pea gravel around our house but from what you posted putting it in the water tray isn't the way to go.
 
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Rabbithutch, the low temp problems? I'm having the same problem with the MES 30. But I was checking the temp thru the top vent with an instant-read probe therm and it was reading 40 degrees higher than the MES therm. I've got the thermostat lower than where it's supposed to be right now to compensate.

You and the Chef have both convinced me to discard the Weber idea. I'm trying the 3-2-1 method today.
 
Chef JimmyJ--that's EXACTLY the look I'm going for. I'm going to print out your foiling juice recipe. And the grilling idea is gone.
 
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Eric, my head is spinning with all this stuff. When I open up the smoker to put the ribs in foil, I'll check the water level in the pan. What I'll do is dump the water while the ribs are covered up. I'll also stop using the wood chips during that time.  I hope I got a skin on the ribs. "Skin" was the word I was trying to use when describing the surface texture I wanted.

We have lots of pea gravel around our house but from what you posted putting it in the water tray isn't the way to go.
Yeah, I bought a bag of washed pea gravel at the local hardware store for 5 bucks, then washed it some more in a pan to get the finer sediments out before filling the pan with it to season in the smoker. I just fashion a aluminum foil drippings catch to fit inside the top 1/4 of the water pan, over the gravel, and can add some water to this if I want. The aluminum drip catch keeps me from having to ditch the gravel after using it, because it's still clean and won't stink up the smoke chamber with rancid meat drippings.

Pea gravel alone (dry smoke chamber) for the entire smoke doesn't yield the best results, IMHO, but using some water at the start makes a difference. I'm kinda pushing things a bit just to see how much it can do for hot smoked meats, so don't sweat it if you don't fully understand it all...it's a lot to swallow all in one read anyway, as it's dealing with things are not exactly as they may appear. It can be confusing, because humidity in the smoke chamber does just the opposite of what you would think it does. Until recently, I also thought that water vapor (high humidity) kept the meat moist, but it does in fact dry it out faster than a dry smoke chamber will.

Work on your method for foiling and saucing ribs for now, and when you want to hit the no-foil smoke again, go wet to dry smoke chamber, and you may be pleasantly surprised what it does for the meat.

Eric
 
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