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bird nerd

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Jan 29, 2017
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Durham, NC
Well this has been a strange one. Got my hands on a 20 odd pound shoulder for $0.99/lb. this was a few weeks ago, was a hectic weekend so it went straight into the freezer. Spent last week defrosting in my fridge. It seemed thoroughly thawed but I didn't check with a thermos to the inside (was 9 or 10 days in fridge).

Trimmed and rubbed Saturday night, on the smoker yesterday around 1400. 250f on camp chef smoke pro pellet smoker.

Around midnight was looking great, IT 175, smelling awesome.
I wanted to go to bed and wasn't comfortable leaving the smoker running.

So into the oven. And where I started making mistakes. I was worried about this thing being too big and cumbersome to get out when done if just wrapped. So I put it on a rack in a roasting pan and covered with foil. Sprinkled with a half cup of apple juice. set the oven to 210 hoping it finish around morning and I could throw in cooler.

Got up to pee at 0400. Wireless thermo read 165. Huh. Couldn't decide what to do so sleep seemed like the best route. Alarm clock went off at 0630 and IT is 167. Presumably I just created a holding chamber.

I have stuff to do until about 1200. I think it will be safe in there, but I guess we will see about quality. I need to decide if I will keep in oven or put back on smoker when I get home. Texture will probably determine I guess.

Curious to hear anyone's thoughts. I'll report on results and do a litttle more qview if it's not a total fail
 
Well this has been a strange one. Got my hands on a 20 odd pound shoulder for $0.99/lb. this was a few weeks ago, was a hectic weekend so it went straight into the freezer. Spent last week defrosting in my fridge. It seemed thoroughly thawed but I didn't check with a thermos to the inside (was 9 or 10 days in fridge).

Trimmed and rubbed Saturday night, on the smoker yesterday around 1400. 250f on camp chef smoke pro pellet smoker.

Around midnight was looking great, IT 175, smelling awesome.
I wanted to go to bed and wasn't comfortable leaving the smoker running.

So into the oven. And where I started making mistakes. I was worried about this thing being too big and cumbersome to get out when done if just wrapped. So I put it on a rack in a roasting pan and covered with foil. Sprinkled with a half cup of apple juice. set the oven to 210 hoping it finish around morning and I could throw in cooler.

Got up to pee at 0400. Wireless thermo read 165. Huh. Couldn't decide what to do so sleep seemed like the best route. Alarm clock went off at 0630 and IT is 167. Presumably I just created a holding chamber.

I have stuff to do until about 1200. I think it will be safe in there, but I guess we will see about quality. I need to decide if I will keep in oven or put back on smoker when I get home. Texture will probably determine I guess.

Curious to hear anyone's thoughts. I'll report on results and do a litttle more qview if it's not a total fail
As long as it stays in that temp range you should be good.

Richie
 
Couple points.

1. Food safety wise you should be fine as long as you are confident your therm is accurate.
2. In order to hit a desired IT you need to make sure that the cooking temp is 25-30 above that temp minimum. So if you were shooting for 205it, the pit temp would need to be 230-235 or higher.
3. Are you positive your oven is accurate. I had never tested mine until a year ago. I was baking bread and things weren't going like I thought they should. So I tested the temp using my calibrated remote therms. One the low end is was 15-20 degrees lower. When set at 200 the oven was avrually 180. As I approached 350 the temp gap closed. At 350 it was actually 340. It evened out at around 425. The temps were tested after preheat and for the duration of 1 hour.

So you may not get the texture you're looking for but I don't think all is lost. Let us know how it goes.
 
Thanks everyone for the advice and encouragement. Today was crazy but the pork turned out better than I feared. I was able to pop into the house at 1000 and again at 1200, and the therm still hovered around 165-170.

dirtsailor2003 dirtsailor2003 I appreciate your tips and I definitely was wondering about the temps. The wireless thermometer was brand new and I hadn't thought to check accuracy on It before using. But at 1200 I poked the meat in a few spots with my instant read which I have checked, and it matched up pretty well.

My oven does have crazy temp swings. I've checked it out of curiosity but not as rigorously as you described. It seemed to spike to about 50deg above the set point and stay pretty high for a while, then kick back on at 10 below set point and spike pretty quickly again . So I figured my oven runs a little hot, but was really guesstimating at where to set it last night.

I think I was figuring IT would eventually just reach equilibrium with the average oven temp but I see that I was pretty far off with that logic. I failed to consider the evaporative cooling with all that moisture and the fact that I had put the meat in a cool pan and sprinkled on a 1/2 cup of cold juice.

Also now I wonder if the swings in the oven temp are worse when empty, but are dampened when there's a heat sink (uncooked food) inside. In this case my oven would not run as hot as I had thought. I didn't really watch the oven temps today to test this theory. But the theory might just be BS because my camp chef holds temps much better than that, with or without meat.

At 1400 I decided it was time to crap or get off the pot even though my IT wasn't budging. Probe went in without too much resistance but not smooth like butter. I decided to just pull it and see what it looked like before anything else went wrong.

Here's what it looked like coming out at 1400
Kinda soggy bark, some decent shrinkage from the shoulder bone.

Bone pulled out relatively clean but it wasn't really smooth or easy
That was the shoulder blade. Didn't get a pic of the leg bone. It wasn't as clean.

Moment of truth. Decent smoke ring I guess.


Texture was all over the place. Some was pretty dry. Some was soggy. Some bark was weirdly like poorly cooked chicken skin, but some bits were nice and chewy. I should have kept track of which parts had what texture.The chicken skin got tossed.

Flavor was quite bland. Not really smoky and didn't taste much of my rub. Forgot to mention i had a nice midnight snack of a large chunk that had stuck to the grill when I pulled it from the smoker. That chunk was awesome, with nice bark, good flavor, decent smokiness. I guess all that time in a tepid sauna washed off all the flavor. I saved and de-fatted the dripppings from the pan, I think I will mix it back in to the pork before I portion leftovers for the freezer, maybe that's where all my flavor is.

noboundaries noboundaries I appreciate the advice re uses for "less flavored" pork. I might keep some without the drippings for these purposes.

Finally the end result. I had been curious to try some South Carolina style mustard based sauce so I had mixed some up a few days back. I reheated tonight's portion mixed up in that sauce and it saved the day.

The whole family loved it. I thought the texture suffered from reheating like that but I liked the flavor. We might need to move to our neighbors south of us because this might be how our family does barbecue now. Someday I hope to learn what it tastes like on skillfully cooked pork.


I guess I might throw in a few more pics I had planned for a qview

The beast un-trimmed

After my hack job. Note the rapala filet knife. Wrong tool for the job. The other secret ingredient to this cook is a few drops of my blood.

Rubbed. Of course I forgot to write down my recipe.

We'll call it at that, I've taken enough of everyone's time. Thanks for looking. I've learned a ton from these forums between this thread and just lurking.
 
All was not lost! You had a good meal and the family enjoyed it .

For long slow cooks of whole muscle keep in mind that you really need that 25-30 degree pit temp above your desired IT.

It'll save your bacon!
 
Yep. What Chile R said. If the family liked it that's what counts.

Now its just going to take some time and a few cheap cuts of meat to get everything figured out. Then it'll be good sleding--until like the rest of us you hit another glitch. LOL

Gary
 
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