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unity5358

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My name is Ed.  I'm in Plowville, PA in SE PA outside Reading.  I'm an ex-chef, now just avidly and passionately cooking at home.  I cook a lot of Cajun/Creole.  Make my own tasso and andouille in an MES Digital 30 I borrow from a neighbor who only uses it to make jerky during deer season.  As I said, I've been lurking, just reading and reading and absorbing a the wisdom, experience and goodwill I see everywhere here on SMF.  After reading about the AMNPS I had to get one and did.  It sounded like just what I needed to get the kind of smoking time I want to get the andouille as smoky as it should be without it getting too cooked inside.  Well, I got the AMNPS and was eager to put it to the test, but wasn't yet ready to do a run of andouille yet, so I got some tassostarted curing (we're on day 2 of 5) and figured I'd do a beer can chicken and a half of shoulder (picnic) left from the tasso (there's just the two of us, me and my Proverbs 31 woman of a wife, Rachel).  I figured, I know what I'm doin'.  I'll make a grand entrance on SMF!  Instead...epic fail:


Brined (Slaughterhouse), Rub (Memphis). Looks great...right?  Tasted good enough...




And the PP...looks OK, eh?  Tastes good...especially with SoFlaQuer's finishing sauce (seen in the upper left).

So, what's the problem?  You can see, but you can't smell or taste with these pictures.  The problem...baked, not smoked.

It was chilly, in the mid 30's.  I was having a hard time keeping the MES hot enough (I would've been happy with 225), so I didn't want to open the door.  And I saw some smoke coming out the vent and since it was kinda windy I figured I shouldn't expect to see much.  So, when the chicken is up to temp (160 in the breast) I open up the MES to find...


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Those are BBQers Delight Pecan pellets out of a 20 lb. bag.

I tried so hard to get everything right ladies and gents.  Placed on the rails to the left, chip try open 1 1/2", loader open 2" ...everything like Todd said:

"Fill the rows in the AMNPS with your pellets

Light the pellets thru the hole for 45 seconds

Allow the flame to burn for 10 minutes and blow it out

Place the AMNPS on the rails towards the bottom left of your MES 30 or 40

Pull out the chip pan 1 1/2"

Pull out the chip loader 2"

Open the exhaust 100%"


AMNPS to the left, chip tray open 1 1/2".


Chip loader out 2"...isn't this what that means?  Help! Todd also said, "If your AMNPS dies out after 15 minutes or so, it was most likely not started correctly, or you have damp pellets. If your AMNPS goes out after an hour or more, then it's starved for oxygen". This looks like it went out pretty fast, no?  But it was lit...it was flamin' for 10 min. and then when I blew it out it was generating copious smoke for a while before I put it in the MES.

 BUT, as I said, I was having a hard time getting and keeping the smoker temp up in the 225-230 range, so I read some posts about this and saw MES people saying they had to close the top vent to get the temp. up in the cold.  So, I took the step that was, perhaps, the fatal flaw in the whole process?  Behold..


Was this it?  Was closing the top vent the fatal flaw?  After all my prep time and "smoking" time (baking time) was this what did me in?  Is using the AMNPS that....precise?  Does every factor have to be exactly right or...epic fail?  Please, speak comfort to me friends!  I'm discouraged...as it turned out the only smoke this chicken and pork got was what was coming off the smoker walls and racks!  I'm used to having everything I undertake cooking-wise turn out like I intended.  I have been humbled.  Maybe that was the the Lord's purpose and plan for me in this one!  I need to learn all I can from this run.  What do I have to make sure I get out of this humbling experience friends?  Thanks for indulging me my lament. Ed
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PS I love SMF and all you people.  I'm here to stay and I ain't givin' up!  With your help and the Lord's grace I'll get it.
 
Welcome aboard, Ed! Glad you joined us. You've found a great place to learn and share ideas. Lots of friendly and knowledgeable folks here who enjoy helping one another. Sorry to hear your first run with the AMNPS was a bust.  Todd steered you correctly...it sounds like either an air flow issue, or perhaps your pellets had some moisture in them. 

If its air flow, you definitely need to open the top damper.  You can also try pulling the chip tray or the loader out some more.  Each smoker has its own peculiarities.  You'll get it dialed in with some more trial and error. 

If its damp pellets, thats an easy fix.  You can dump a load of pellets into a paper plate and nuke them for a minute or two.  Or you can spread a load out on a cookie sheet and put them in the oven on low heat for 10-20 minutes.  The pellets really burn alot better if there is no moisture at all in them.

Todd is the real expert, and he works hard to help every customer achieve total satisfaction.  If you give him a holler, he'll get you lined out in no time, I'm sure.

Good luck, and when you need help, just ask and you'll get plenty.
 
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Just an idea here but could you now cool, slice and cold smoke with that there device? might still get desired results. Maybe someone else will chime in. Makes me hungry thinking about it.
 
Hmmmmmmmmm, that's a very interesting idea, Timberjet. A salvage operation. As long as I can get the AMNPS to work in this smoker. Thanks for thinking outside the box. That's what I like about this place!
 
I'm thinking that closing the vent didn't help matters any... If your gonna continue smoking in cold weather maybe a welding blanket or something to insulate the smoker a little... Also when lighting the pellets... after you blow the flame out continue blowing on the pellets and get a nice red hot cherry going...
 
Hi Ed! :welcome1: to SMF!!! We're happy you found us! You've come to the right place, we have over 45,000 members who just love to share their experience and over 900,000 posts describing it!

The search bar at the top can be your best friend when you are trying to find answers to your questions but you can still ask too if you want!

Would you do us a favor and add your location to your profile, it helps others to know where you are when they offer advice, Thanks!

You might want to check out Jeff's Free 5 day E-Course, it will teach you all the basics plus a whole lot more!

I agree with the top vent being closed could have been the problem and also the wind might not have helped either. Sometimes wind blowing across a vent can stop air from going in.

Send TJohnson a PM and link this thread and he should be able to help, he might not see this thread.
 
Hi Ed,

I feel bad that your 1st smoke with one my gadgets was not a success

Your observations are most likely correct.  The top vent must be open, in-order for your AMNPS to draft properly.

In cold weather, your MES works a little harder, but should maintain 225°.  You can always finish to temp, in the oven

Open the top vent 100%, and see if it makes a difference in how the AMNPS performs

Also, BBQrs delight Pecan pellets should work. 

Do you have the pellets I sent you with your purchase?

Did they perform the same as BBQrs Delight?

Just trying to eliminate any variables

Todd
 
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 to SMF!  We are so glad you joined us!

Todd will get you fixed right up!  Love his products!

If you need any help roaming around the forums....just holler!  Happy to help out!

Kat
 
Thanks for the warm welcome everyone and the input. I will try the following:


  1. 1. Microwave or oven bake the pellets.

    1. 2. Pre-heat the smoker with the vent and loader fully closed to 50 degrees above where I want it.

      1. 3. Make sure the AMNPS is started very well, blowing on the smoking pellets for a while after blowing out the flame.

        1. 4. put the AMNPS and the food in the smoker with the top vent open 100% at all times, the chip drawer out 1 1/2" and the loader out 2".

          Questions:
          How will I know without opening the smoker whether the AMNPS is working as it should? How much smoke should I be seeing coming out the top vent?
          Might I need to go so far as taking the chip drawer and/or the loader out all together?
          How will I know (without it going out all together) that the tray and/or the loader needs to be opened more, or even taken out all together?
          If the AMNPS does go out, do I just take it out and put the torch to it again like starting from scratch?

          I have 5 lbs. of tasso about cured and ready for the smoker, so I 'll have another shot here in a day or two.

          Todd, you asked if I used the pellets that came with the AMNPS. No, I hadn't. WHat kind of wood are they anyway? They were in a regular ol' unmarked glad storage bag. I got my AMNPS through Amazon. Some outfit called Latin Touch. Are they legit distributors for you? Would the pellets they sent me have been the ones you send out. The AMNPS was in a box with your sticker on it. The pellets were in a Glad-like bag.
 
I'll try to answer your questions......

My answers in RED

Questions:
How will I know without opening the smoker whether the AMNPS is working as it should? How much smoke should I be seeing coming out the top vent?

You'll see smoke rising out of the exhaust vent, but don't mistake steam for smoke!!!

You can smell the smoke
Might I need to go so far as taking the chip drawer and/or the loader out all together?

No, do not remove the chip drawer or chip loader

The chip pan also has a heat shield to protect the door

Removing the chip loader does not allow for any extra air, and actually allows for the MES to "Back Draft"
How will I know (without it going out all together) that the tray and/or the loader needs to be opened more, or even taken out all together?

You'll notice a lack of smoke rising from the exhaust

Only adjustment you may need, is possibly push in the chip loader, to slow down the burning
If the AMNPS does go out, do I just take it out and put the torch to it again like starting from scratch?
Yes, Start over, and DO NOT rush the starting process
I have 5 lbs. of tasso about cured and ready for the smoker, so I 'll have another shot here in a day or two.

Todd, you asked if I used the pellets that came with the AMNPS. No, I hadn't. WHat kind of wood are they anyway? They were in a regular ol' unmarked glad storage bag. I got my AMNPS through Amazon. Some outfit called Latin Touch. Are they legit distributors for you? Would the pellets they sent me have been the ones you send out. The AMNPS was in a box with your sticker on it. The pellets were in a Glad-like bag.

Latin Touch is a dealer who sells my gadgets on Amazon, EBay and their website.

I do not know what pellets they include with the AMNPS 5x8

You should contact them direct to find out what pellets were included

BBQrs Delight pellets are good quality pellets.  The Pecan Pellets you have, are a "Blended Pellet",  In other words, they are made from a mixture of Oak and Pecan.  Nothing wrong with them, but do not assume they are 100% Pecan.

Todd
 
BBQrs Delight pellets are good quality pellets.  The Pecan Pellets you have, are a "Blended Pellet",  In other words, they are made from a mixture of Oak and Pecan.  Nothing wrong with them, but do not assume they are 100% Pecan.
Thanks.  I'm aware of the blended nature of these pellets.  I have not found any pecan pellets that are 100% pecan.  Does such a thing exist and if it does, are they preferable?  Will they burn as they ought or does pecan (and some other woods) need to be mixed with other base woods for the sake of a good burn?

Also, based on this pic, what is the diagnosis of why the AMNPS went out?  Simply the the top vent not being opened 100% and/or pellet moisture?  Or could it have not been started well enough?  I thought I followed all the instructions.  Lit it with a torch for at least 45 seconds.  Let it flame.  The flame went out due to the wind, so I put the torch to it again.  It flamed for 10 min.  I blew it out.  I let it smolder outside the smoker for another 5 min.   How long would it have been going in the smoker for this amount of pellets to have been burned?  Does it look like it burned for a while and then went out for lack of oxygen?  Sorry for so many questions - Ed

 
Not a pellet user (Stick burner so I understand fire) but that looks like the pellets were starved for air. Nice clean ash and start of a full burn but it died.. Has to be lack of air flow. 

Doug
 
You already got some good advice here, but I'll offer up some advice nubbie to nubbie.  I did my first smoke a little over a year ago, and ran my smoker empty.  I wanted to get to know my new toy/tool, see how much smoke I made, how long it took for the temp to come back up after the door was open...ect.  Seems to me you're trying to get a handle on two new tools, so just waste some pellets and electricity, and play around for an afternoon.  Then you'll be ready to load in some food and let 'er smoke.  I hope this can help.
 
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