Time for a Remodel

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golfpro2301

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Jun 6, 2012
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Jacksonville, FL
I decided to start a new thread on my fridge build. Hope you all dont mind. I was pretty unhappy with the look of the old one and decided I need to make a few changes. I started with using JB WELD to fill aprox 25 holes I drilled in the side to hold in the insulation. Next I sanded everything down preparing for paint. I was wanting to do a bright neon green but after using 10 cans the paint wouldnt come out even so I had to change plans. I had a few cans of truck bed coating layin around the house and decided to use that. It turned out great and even better the rubber coating wont scratch. I decided to throw in some accent pieces with the neon green I had in mind. I reinsulated it with 1" thick mineral wool fiber boards. It still isnt done so I will post a few more pics in the next few weeks. Let me know what you think.

The JB WELD in the holes I drilled in the side


Sanded down smooth


Original Plan. As you can see the paint isnt even and it looks even worse in the sun.


The smoke stacks are not set yet. I just wanted to see how it looked. I will make these removable so I can roll it out of the covered patio. This version is universal. You can see the 55 gallon barrel conversion into a stove next to the fridge. I will use this in competition. I didnt have time to get to the top stripes and the accent piece but it will be identical to the bottom. I am hopin to get to this next week. The handle and latches on the right side will be neon green as well.

 
Lookin' good...  I like the green and black...   Now, it will look better with a little smoke rollin' outa the stacks...  and meat on the racks...    Dave
 
Thanks Dave. The only thing I am wondering is the stacks you see in the pic are about 28" each giving me 56". The pit building calculator says I need a total of 41". Should I cut them down or do you think it won't make a difference?
 
Golf Pro, evening....    Using the calc, on that particular style of smoker, leaves something to be desired....   I would leave the stacks the way they are...  check for temps being fairly even throughout....  

Does your wood firebox have a second air inlet above the door ???  you might find that a good idea....   I think a very small fire in the FB, briquettes or similar, will give plenty of heat....  The second opening, above the fire, will allow heat and air to move through the smoker without adding air to the fire....   something to think about anyway.....    Dave
 
I decided to cut 8 " off of the stacks. It just looks better IMO. In regards to your question about the fire box I have not added an air vent for it yet. There is one that comes with the kit and it is under the door you see on the barrel stove to the left. The barrel sits behind the fridge and it connected by a 6" diameter flexible steel pipe. When I burnt out the inside of the barrel everytime I would close the door the fire would go out even with the air vent on the bottom open. The back of the barrel has a large dent in it so I am not able to use that space. Where and what style of vent should I add to the front of the barrel you see. On the second hole you are talking about do you mean on the fridge itself? I would prefer not to cut another hole in the thing if I dont have to. Also, The flexible pipe connecting the barrel and fridge is roughly 4ft long. I have a pipe insulating piece made out of fiberglass. What percentage of heat do you think I would lose from the stove to the smoker. I was thinking 50%. would it be higher or lower do you think?
 
I decided to cut 8 " off of the stacks. It just looks better IMO. In regards to your question about the fire box I have not added an air vent for it yet. There is one that comes with the kit and it is under the door you see on the barrel stove to the left. The barrel sits behind the fridge and it connected by a 6" diameter flexible steel pipe.

When I burnt out the inside of the barrel everytime I would close the door the fire would go out even with the air vent on the bottom open.

If the fire won't burn without the barrel hooked to the smoker... I do not know what to tell you...   Dave 

The back of the barrel has a large dent in it so I am not able to use that space. Where and what style of vent should I add to the front of the barrel you see. On the second hole you are talking about do you mean on the fridge itself? I would prefer not to cut another hole in the thing if I dont have to. Also, The flexible pipe connecting the barrel and fridge is roughly 4ft long. I have a pipe insulating piece made out of fiberglass. What percentage of heat do you think I would lose from the stove to the smoker. I was thinking 50%. would it be higher or lower do you think?
 
Finally had a day off so I decided to find out if this barrel idea would work. Once hooked up it produced more than enough heat to the smoker, but found out that the fridge leaks like a sieve, and flexible metal pipe I bought to attach to the fridge doesnt flex much at all requiring me to sit the barrel at an angle. So after all this I dont know if my plan was a success or failure. I have attached pictures showing the setup. Could use some help in two areas though

1. Get equal heat distribution once the heat leaves the pipe. when the smoker is 240* the heat leaving the pipe is 305*. the heat doesnt equal out until it reaches the top rack. This leaves the middle of the bottom three racks with good heat but the outer edges are significantly cooler.

2. You will notice that the door is off of the barrel. I have to do this to get air into the inside to keep the fire running. the vent at the bottom doesnt allor enough air flow so I need to come up with another option where I can attach a vent somewhere that would allow more air into the barrel without keeping the door open the whole time.

This was just a test run. I am going to do another test run next week when I seal up all the leaks on the fridge. I am going to add more firebrick to the inside of the barrel, and throw some pipe insulation around the flexible pipe hoping to give me better temperature control.

Any help would be appreciated. The deadline to enter the next contest is in two weeks and I want to make sure this works before I pay the entry fee.





Barrel tilted. Only way to keep the pipe connected


Lever where I can open and close the damper on the inside of the pipe

 
Golfpro morning.....   If I were in your position with this build, I would bite the bullet and sit back, revue what I had done....  

Then I would go to the competition as a spectator...  Look very closely what others were using, how they built them... ask about intakes exhausts etc...  eat the grub.... take a lot of notes...  come back here with "fresh" ideas for a comp smoker and use the refer for a home smoker....

reinventing the smoker now, and using it to test cooking times, temps etc. before the comp, is a task I would not undertake....  cooking on a smoker, to get excellent results, takes months to become familiar with all the ins and outs of each smoker.... 

Dave
 
Dave,

I thought about that but with only two competitions here in Jacksonville I want to get into it. Last year I competed in my first one and made the smoker to compete in it 1 month before. I took second in Pork and 9th overall. I thought it was pretty good for my first comp. The comp isnt until the end of April so I have plenty of time. I marked smoke leaks with a sharpie and found that it is small gaps between some aluminum pieces and the side of the fridge. Threw in a little silicone and worked like a charm. I did some research and found a lot of people use convection plates for better heat distribution. I thought about doing this directly over the pipe. Maybe start with 1/4" holes above the pipe and expand to 1" holes on the edges.
 
GP, evening..... 

Here is what I would do to meet the deadline and have some time for practice....

 Couple the drum directly to the fridge.... Air tight.... that is the key word here...

Get a 12" opening between the drum and fridge for good air flow..... 

Install a perforated pizza pan above the inlet to the smoker for a distribution plate... 

(or one of those "single use" aluminum pans, I have seen at W-Mart, that has 1/2" holes in it..)

Build a charcoal minion method basket that will hold about 25#'s Kingsford Blue....  

The front of the basket should be cut down so you can add chunks of flavor wood through

the existing door...

With the drum coupled air tight to the refer, and the insulated fridge, and 25#'s of charcoal, and maybe

a welding blanket thrown over the drum, you will be able to maintain 250 deg for 12 hours....  remember this

is not an UDS and there will be significant heat loss through the drum...  

The existing stacks should be adequate to make this smoker work.... maybe you

will have to close one down....

The existing inlet holes in the cast iron door "should" be enough for adequate air flow..

The basket should be mounted 3-4" above the side of the drum, for ash to fall out

and air flow...

Your first test will let you know if this will work and you have adequate control... 

Air tight is the key or the air flow through the barrel and smoker will not work.... 

You could try this set-up with splits but I think the temp from the splits burning will

be way too hot to control the temp adequately in the small space of the refer...

                                                                                            
 
Dave,

Thanks for the help. Attaching the barrel to the fridge was what I intended to do but since I started it as electric and didnt care where the vent hole was I just hacked thru the steel without measuring. Turns out that it is a few inches higher than the top of the barrel.The flex pipe was $100 (yeah I know stupid for me to spend that much) so I want to use it if I can so I dont feel as if I wasted money. I shortened the  pipe and thru a pipe insulation cover over it then started burning some more chunks. After playing with the damper on the flu I could maintain the temp between 240-255 without any problem. I would throw a wood chunk into the barrel about every 30 min. I am planning on using splits that will burn longer when I acctually get it completed but I had a few bags of hickory layin around so I decided to use that. I did a google search and found a few guys drilling a 1 1/2" - 2" hole underneath the stove door. They would fasten a pipe about 2 inches long to the hole with a damper on the end. It seemed to work for them so I might give it a try. After cleaning up today and managed to find a scrap 12"X24" 16GA piece of sheet metal. I decided to use this as a baffling plate. I laid out a 2" grid on it and started drilling small holes. I used a unibit and varied the size. 3/8" in the middle over the pipe. 5/8" next and then 7/8" at the edges. There is a 2" gap all the way around the outside. I didnt have time to test it out but plan on doing it sometime next week. I am going to pick up a welding blanket when I go to northern tool for some more firebrick. Can I just wrap this around the barrel?

I will try and post pics later this week. Thanks again for all of the help.
 
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