My first bacon, have read a lot of posts, but still confused...

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bwinter714

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Aug 19, 2012
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Saratoga, New York
Hi all,

My name is Brian, I've been smoking meat for about 5 years now, but I have never cured any meat (I'm not sure why). I just finished my labor of love, an all stainless steel vertical smoker: I will use this for hot smoking (obviously), but plan on cold-smoking the bacon. I built this because this cost me about $800 in materials, vs. $5000-$8000 if I were to buy one pre-made of this size and completly SS.



I have since cleaned off the lines I drew when drilling and tig'ing it together, but I was impatient and used it first! I am actually very surprised, this thing holds 216 degrees with 1 full chimney starter of llit charcoal over a bed of unlit charcoal like it's its job! (it is :)  ) The only thing that isn't SS is the firebox door, (bottom right), and the black paint is a high-temp grill paint, because I knew the SS would discolor with the heat. That little chute on the side is how I can add more wood, carcoal etc. without opening the door and losing heat!

Anyway.... sorry for going off topic!

But, I spent the better part of the day yesterday reading this forum, for what to do, what not to do, etc. when curing pork belly into bacon. I had ordered a side of pork belly, and I picked it up, and it was about 10lbs. I split it into 5-~2lb slabs, and measured out the instacure #1 based upon the final weight of the delicious pork block, along with kosher salt.

But, my girlfriend had an idea to make different flavors of bacon, like an "Apples and Honey", "Jalepeno and Chipotle", "Lemon and Pepper" etc. So, after reading, I have seen that people put maple syrup on their slabs all the time before curing, so I thought it would be ok.

When I rubbed the salt into the slabs, I put them in ziplock bags. Then, before I could say anything in went the juice of 4 lemons, and an ounce of cracked black pepper. I though the lemons were going to be in slices, not juiced. Anyway, there was now liquid in the bottom of the bag, and it seemed to wash off some of the salt. Does this make it more of a brine? Or should liquid never be added in this fashion when dry-curing? Will this be safe to eat even though the salt isn't completly covering the slab? Will it cure properly as the other dry-slabs will, because I added the dry-cure amount of #1 not the brine amount? I realize that a "cure" is drawing out moisture to leave an inhospitable environment to bacteria, so is there even a point to putting anything on the outside because it won't be drawn into the slab?

Thanks for listening, I've gotten some great info from this site already! I look forward to becoming a seasoned (no pun intended) member of this site!

-Brian
 
Brian, Nice looking smoker!  As to your questions, there are some more knowledgeable members here, and they should be jumping in with answers soon.  I too am going to start some bacon this week and look forward to the answers.  I have a fridge smoker for cold smoking only, and a amns smoker to use on my bacon.  Will you be cold smoking?  Do you have an amns for smoke?  take care and good smoking.  Steve
 
Hi Steve, I posted this on Sunday, and I had a moderator PM me because I asked when it would be posted. He said no one had seen it, so I figured it got lost lol. I posted the same thing (close to it) in the curing forum, and Dave responded, you might want to check that out if you're wondering about the liquid being added.

But yeah, I ordered the AMNS and will be cold-smoking my noble swine with it soon! I'm going to do a Q'view when the cure is done. What is this fridge setup? Can you post some pictures? I'm interested in cold-smoking and like curing I have never done it before; but I want to ensure I have the basics of curing down first! haha. I am going to torch a hole in my firebox this weeked, and add a cold-smoke box for easier and more reliable cold-smoke. I've read a lot on these forums, and it seems like I'll be saving myself some hassle by doing it now instead of later. But, I am intrigued by this fridge thing, I have heard of other people doing it. Does the fridge actually work, or are you just using it for insulation? How do you get the smoke in there, with the AMNS in the fridge or do you have a seperate box? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm learning :)

-Brian
 
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No problem Brian.  I got a side by side fridge at the dump, it didn't work and the freexer door was bunged up a bit.  I took the compressor out and clipped the copper lines off and removed all the wiring.  I cit a 2 18 inch hole ti the bottom side and put PVC pipe through it with a valve outside for an air inlet.  Cut the same size hole in the center rear top for a smoke stack and pit pipe through that, avout 2 feet.  I got a ceramic floor tile to set the amns on.  Tested it with a couple of short burns and it worked great.  I plan on using the freezer side to store my smoke dust and other things.  Because it is for cold smokes only I didn't take the plastic insides out.  No pictures yet, my camera is on strike right now and I will have to fire it and hire a new one.  There is a section on fridge makes under smokers in here, you may want to crouse over and look at them.  I modeled mine off Pops minifridge.  Got all the parts at Lowes, and cost was very low, about 25 bucks if I remember right.  If you have any questions PM me.  Steve
 
Cool (no pun intented haha), thanks. I'll check that out. Its getting nice at night here (~55 degrees), so tis the season for cold smoking! I can't wait to get started.

I'll check it out, and post pictures when I'm done!

-Brian
 
Brian, it is getting cool(pun intended) here at night here too.  I just saw MrT's chees smoking thread and am going to get some cheese and try that while my bacon cures.  Have you thought about smoking cheese?  I have never had any, but one of by sons says it is great.  So many things to smoke, so little time!  Steve
 
Oh yeah, I love smoked cheese! I think when I had my first slice of smoked gouda I just about wet myself haha. But smoked mozzarella (sp?) and smoked gouda are probably my favorite. I'm lucky to have a great smokehouse about 45 minutes from here, called Oscars Smokehouse, in Warrensburg NY. I can't even describe how good everything is, bacon especially. They have this thick-cut, double smoked, oh my God its good. I can only hope my bacon comes out half as good! But they smoke everything that walks and crawls, and they have a ton of homemade cheeses that they make and smoke in-house.

If you've never had smoked cheese, you're in for a treat! I'm trying it this weekend! But like the time bacon takes during the initial cure, you still have to let the cheese rest for a week after smoking, to mellow out the flavors from what I've read. I cant wait until I'm in the rotation, where I always have something done curing, or done resting! I don't think my heart will though ;)

-Brian
 
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Brian, I know what you mean about the wait!  My son has told me that smoked cheese is great, so I will be smoking some to take to him when we visit next month.  I think that this cold smoker will be a good thing.  While bacon is curing, smoke cheese, While waiting for cheese to age, smoke bacon, get stuff to make smoked sausage, make sausage, smoke sausage, repeat!  I think I got it down!  I think I better order smoe more stuff from Todd.  Looks like a lot of smoke from this cold smoking box.  Take care and good smokes.  Steve
 
Nice smoker!Love that reclaimed reinvented vibe.The one thing I learnt the hard way about cheese is keep an eye on the temp. 30 mins of rugby on TV can be the difference between triumph & WTF happened its the return of the blob! Ice in a tray above the AMZPS takes the margin for screw up out of it. 

Harder cheese easier, provolone,greek sheep in all its forms, the younger pecorino ,just my 2 cents .MICK
 
Mick, Yes, ice is a good idea for the amns smoke.  I will be watching the cheese close.  My son is the rugby coordinator for the Elizabeth CO Celtic Festival, and we both enjoy watching, but we are unable to see it on TV here.  We watch on the computer.  I have to get a new camera, my old one went on strike.  When I do I will put pics on here.  Steve
 
Mick, Yes, ice is a good idea for the amns smoke.  I will be watching the cheese close.  My son is the rugby coordinator for the Elizabeth CO Celtic Festival, and we both enjoy watching, but we are unable to see it on TV here.  We watch on the computer.  I have to get a new camera, my old one went on strike.  When I do I will put pics on here.  Steve
That time of year here,Australia v New Zealand series,we got beat game 1 here will need a miracle to win game 2 in NZ. Next year our southern hemisphere Super League will include  2 teams from Argentina for the first time. Makes it 16 teams,from the different provincial teams from South Africa ,Aust,NZ & Argies. Winning on the road a challenge!
 
Nice smoker!Love that reclaimed reinvented vibe.The one thing I learnt the hard way about cheese is keep an eye on the temp. 30 mins of rugby on TV can be the difference between triumph & WTF happened its the return of the blob! Ice in a tray above the AMZPS takes the margin for screw up out of it.

Harder cheese easier, provolone,greek sheep in all its forms, the younger pecorino ,just my 2 cents .MICK
Thanks for the advice, I've read that an ice cube tray works wonders for cheese temperatures, I just have to make sure the deflect the condensation drips from putting the AMNS out!

I have an 8-channel RTD card, and RTD's on the way. I'm hooking it up to a PLC, then I'll either monitor the temps with my laptop over ethernet, or I'll go wireless (but that's getting into some $) eventually. That way, I can monitor the temps of each block or cut of meat remotely, along with the IT of the smoker itself. I'm sick of the cheap remote thermometers, I've found that they can be off as much a 10 degrees! Thats the nice thing about being able to borrow calibrated scientific equipment, is that I can see how much my equipment is off. But, that's also the bad thing, because I never trust the things I can afford! But, this should solve it. And, I'll be able to have different recipes for different meats and temperatures resident within the PLC, set alarms for temp spikes, and warnings for getting close to ideal IT, I can even trend-map my IT's to play with the temperature to get for example, and exact 12 hour smoke for whatever meat/cheese I have on there. Looks like my self-taught education is paying off!
 
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