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rabbithutch

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My posts asking questions about preparing and cooking fatties smoking-fatties went without response; so I gotta figure somethings wrong an' I'm blamin' it on the deodorant! :yahoo:

I found an 8# 'bone in' butt at my local supermarket at $1.58 a pound. It was vacuum packed and looked good without too much fat but a good cap. It came home with me.

Yesterday afternoon, I unwrapped it, washed it off and patted it dry and then did a dance with mustard and Jeff's rub. It has been in the refrigerator about 24 hours; so it's time to start thinking about cooking it. I have done 2 of these before and was not too pleased with the results. I did them not long after I got my MES and before I had done much of anything but grilling. They came out too dry for my taste, but that didn't keep family and guests from gobbling them down.

I'm going to smoke the butt in my MES because I don't fancy trying to control the heat in my mini-WSM or the Weber kettle. Although I think I've made every mistake and learned every lesson about the MES, I'm old enough to know that just ain't so. I need the advice and support of this group to keep me sane. I don't want any more catastrophe's like my Cheese Disaster.

Here is my plan. Please tell me how you would change it and why.
1) Check batteries in Maverick and sync transmitter and receiver. I have the smoker probe in a block of wood which I'll place on the second rack.
2) Place pellets in AMNPS (I'll load it all the way), spray with ISO alcohol and light with propane torch. I'll blow out the flames when I see a good smoke.
3) Plug in and set the MES being sure to get the maximum time setting (20 hours) and the temp to 240° and verify that temp with the Maverick. I've cussed the MES readings too many times to trust just it. If need be, I'll increase the temp on the MES until it and the Maverick agree.
4) Place rubbed butt in a disposable aluminum tray. (This is to keep the drippings from making a mess. It might limit smoke but electricity won't give me a smoke ring anyway.)
5) Insert meat probe in the butt from the side being careful to avoid the bone.
6) Set the Maverick smoker temp (240°) and meat temp (165°) settings and verify them and be sure that the xmit and rec are still sync'd (Can you tell I've screwed this up before?)
7) Place the butt in the pan on the top shelf of the MES and the AMNPS on the rack at the bottom left with a foil tent over it to be sure no grease or anything will douse it.
8) Close the MES and check all the settings again.
9) Leave it alone until the meat IT hits 165° then place foil over the pan, spritz with apple juice. Check and repeat hourly until IT reaches 205°.
10) Pull after reaching IT and wrap in foil and then towels and place in cooler for several hours.

I re-read the sticky on doing butts and plan on the 1.5 hours per pound (8lbs x 1.5hrs = 12hrs); so, being the night owl and late sleeper that I am, I'll put it on about 10 pm.

'What did I miss? What's wrong with the plan?
 
I just did my first pork butt smoke last weekend with nearly the exact same set up. And it worked like a charm.

A few things...

1) Why the alcohol on the pellets? I got mine lit fine just by following Todd's instructions. Fill the try, hold the torch on them and count to 45. No matter how big that flame gets, don't take the torch off so it can develop some good embers. Let them burn for 5-10 minutes then blow them out. It was foolproof.

2) I threw the pork butt directly on the grates, fat side down. If you're going to use a foil pan, why not just put it a few grates beneath the pork butt to catch the drippings? That way you'll get smoke penetration on all sides of the meat.

3) And last thing: why is it going to sit in the cooler for several hours? I wrapped mine in foil and a towel for 45 minutes, but I've never read about several hours.

In any event, it looks pretty solid from my untrained eyes. Good luck!
 
method sounds good to me. I would do like Harms said and put the drip pan below the butt. Maybe try giving it an injection and/ or spritzing it every hour after it reaches 140 degrees internal temp.

As far as letting it rest for two hours, I do the same thing. I think the general consensus on the board, from everything that i have read is to let it rest for 1-2 hours before serving. You can let it go longer if you need to keep it hot for a prolonged period of time. Just make sure they are wrapped tight and insulated fully with towels/ blankets in a dry cooler.

Anyhow good luck with it, keep up posted!
 
rabbithutch,

If your prior butts came out too dry, have you considered injecting them?  It can be anything, from simple apple juice to more complex mixtures. I did two butts last weekend. One had a mixture of 3 parts applesauce, 1 part rub, and 1 part bbq sauce. The other was a new one for me. I nuked about 1-1/2 cups of grape jelly and added about 3 tablespoons of creole seasoning. It came out slightly sweet, with no hint of grapey-ness, nor any spiceyness, except for the creole seasoning I sprinkled on the outside for the bark, in addition to my regular rub.

Both came out very moist and flavorful.

And I'm with Harms on the alcohol thing; and put a pan on the next tray down from the butt. 45 min to an hour is plenty of time for it to rest. Though you can let it rest for a few hours if you plan on pulling it closer to dinner time. Remember to save and separate the foiled juices. Grease gets disposed of, and stock goes back into the pork after pulling.  After that, you might want to try a finishing sauce for even more flavor.

Good luck!
 
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Thanks, Harms!

The alcohol spray is something that I was told about by Todd. He might have meant to use it when lighting with a match or propane lighter and not the bernzomatic torch. At any rate, I've used this approach many times now and it works. I only spray the first couple of inches of pellets.

I like your idea of putting a plan on the next rack down. I think I'll go with it.

The time in the cooler probably doesn't matter much as long as it's long enough for the meat to 'rest' and reconstitute itself as the heat dissipates. It will cool very, very slowly in a cooler, and I won't be eating it before supper tomorrow.

Thanks for the response. It's always good to get reinforcement.
 
Hutch,Buddy. you should have had tender Butt , I do mine your way (no -peeky) ,sans Mustard and Massage it just prior to Smoker Insertion , and this 8lb. Butt went 13hrs. @225°,

 and ,as seen, absolutely Fell Apart as I removed it from it's Sauna.  You said , "it didn't seem to have much fat ,but a good cap"?

That could be the problem, you had a bone-in , so , IMHO , pick one with some fat in the muscle. This fat renders and tends to help tenderize on it's way down...this one had enough Juice , and generally the ones I do , to de-fta and use it as an ingredient for your Finishing sauce...

This one, maybe place some Bacon on it and see if that fat helps this one.

Keep us posted as it developes. Stan   
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Have fun and...
 
I followed Eric's wet/dry smoke chamber method http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/...mmed-butt-wet-dry-smoke-chamber-q-view-method  and it was the juiciest PP I have ever done.

I think spritzing is over-rated and opening the door and pulling back the foil (like you mentioned in step 9) will just let out a lot of heat and increase your cook time.

If you like a good bark keep it out of the foil pan.

I love good bark so I don't foil or use a pan or spritz. I want the outside to dry and seal in all the juices and build bark.
 
Thanks for the responses!

Plans have been modified. I'm gonna put it on the wire rack without a pan. I'll put a pan on the rack below. The sticky on butts says fat cap down, but I've read a ton of posts that say to put it up and let the fat melt into to the meat. I'm staying with the sticky advice and putting the cap down.

I'm gonna wait and see about the spritzing and foiling. While I don't generally like to open the door until the thermos tell me I've reached temp, I do not want another too-dry butt.

Thanks again for the help.
 
We have a MES at work. Your method sounds to be a good one and looks to be backed up by others or good suggestions given. No matter what we do at work we seem to get a lot of moisture and never have an issue with that. I have seen other posts that suggest placing clean playground sand in the water pan and covering it with foil. They will even make a valley in the middle to collect the dripping juices/fat. I have not tried it, but the logic makes since to have a heat mass to recover the temps faster if and when you open to check the meat. I do not currently use a AMNPS, but I have heard others mention about leaving the feeder tube cracked on the MES about an inch to allow for air or they go out.

If you are going to wrap and pack the cooked meat in a cooler. Maybe place one of your Maverick probes in the meat, so you can monitor the temp. You want to keep it above 140 degrees. If it drops below that for more than 2 hrs reheat it to above 165 degrees.
 
Rabbit... I know it's to late now, but next time do at least a 24 hr brine on the butt... you would be amazed at how juicy they turn out.. at any rate.. good luck with your smoke...
 
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I recently ran a Poll and the consensus is...Plan on 2 Hours per Pound with a 2 Hour Pad/Rest...If you are done early, leave the meat in the cooler longer. But this way nobody is staring at you and the smoker waiting to eat...JJ
 
An update:

I put the 8 lb. bone-in butt in the MES at 9:15 last night.
(I rubbed it with mustard and Jeff's rub and let it sit for about 36 hours.)

The AMNPS was going strong. The MES was set to 22 hours (so it wouldn't turn off) and the temp was set at 225°. I set up the Maverick ET-73 with the smoker probe in its block of wood and the food probe inserted from the side of the butt being careful not to heat bone. I put the meat on the second grate from the top (temp probe on the first grate) and a catch pan for drippings on the third grate and shut the door. After using the Maverick and its cousin the ET-901 on fatties earlier in the day, I was pretty confident in the remote thermometer this time. I did not use the MES meat probe.

The smoker got to 225° pretty quickly and the IT started rising. I checked when I went to bed about 1:00 AM and all seemed well. This morning the IT had stalled at 183-184° with smoker holding 225°. After 14-1/2 hours, I bumped the smoker to 250° and the IT started rising. That was almost 2 hours ago and the IT has reached 198° with the MES running 245-250° (as reported by the Maverick).

I will get pics when I open up and before I put it in the cooler. I will leave the meat probe in the butt while it rests (thanks for the tip jarjarchef).

More to come . . . if this stall ever ends. It has been 16-1/2 hours to get to 198°. I think my cooking temp might have been a bit low. I hope I haven't ruined it.
 
It's all over but the pulling!

I forgot to take pics of the butt after it was rubbed, nor did I get any of it when I placed it in the smoker; however, I'll try to recover now.

At 202° I could stand it no longer. About 17-1/2 hours had elapsed.

Here's what I found when I opened the door for the first time.

Looks like I got a good bark. The meat was tender and juicy and falling apart but I managed to get it and the dripping pan inside. You can see that some pieces have fallen off the bone. I didn't pick at it.

Onto some fresh foil with the remote meat probe still in it. You can see the drippings. That pan was covered and placed in the 'fridge so I can remove the fat and use the juices.

And, another shot.

I wrapped it carefully in foil then in 2 old beach towels and put it in the cooler.

Eighteen hours near exactly since I put it on. At my age, I could not have stayed up all night feeding a fire to hold temps. The MES did its job and let me sleep. I'm gonna be curious to see how long the next one takes.

The pork is in the cooler and has come down to 175°. I'll take it out at about 165° and pull it apart with forks.

I'm thinkin' my NC vinegar and crushed red peppers with other secret ingredients and just a dab of Texas honey will make a perfect sauce. I'll keep the sauce on the side so that we can change our minds if we want to try something else.

I'll get more shots and give a report on the flavor/
 
Glad it worked out for you - should be nice and tasty this time 
 
Looks like it came out all right. I have a problem with numbers 4 and 9.

  As for #4, I would not put the butt in a foil pan to start with. I leave it on the rack till it hits the stall, about 165 degrees, then foil. It might soften the bark but shortens the stall.

  Number 9.. Open the smoker to foil the meat and add moisture (apple juice, etc). Then leave the door closed! Every time you open the smoker, you increase the cook time.

Mike
 
I did a couple of more butts this weekend . .

I agree putting directly on the rack with a drip/water pan under it, I put a mixture of apple juice, apple cider and water in my drip/water pan. I will use the left over drippings for the last cooking step and in mop/sauce.

I rub with EVOO, Jeff's rub. I don't inject mine anymore and they turn out great.

Took 9.5 hours at 210 in my MES to get IT up to 165, pulled and put in foil pan with half cup of drippings, covered and increased MES temp to 250 to bring IT up to 200. I FTC mine until IT is down to 170'ish. They pretty much fall apart all by themselves.

 
Final report with Qview.

As you saw earlier, H. E.'s butt (Texans will understand this)¹ came out perfectly. As I said, I did deviate from the original plan. I did NOT place the butt in a pan but placed a pan on the rack beneath to catch any drippings. I did NOT spritz the meat - or even open the door - for 18 hours. I did NOT place anything in the drip pan to moisten the cooking environment.

I think the only thing I might do differently next time is to cook at a higher temperature to begin with. I ran the MES at 225° from the start and for about 15 hours. The IT stalled at about 180 until I raised the MES to 250°. The IT increased steadily for the next couple or three hours. I think next time I will start at about 235° and raise it to 250° about three quarters of the way into the cook. For example, this was an 8 lb. pork butt and I would have figured 2 hours per lb. or 12 hours. I think I probably should have cooked it at 235° for the first 9 hours then raised the temp to 250°. Spending 18 hours on 8 lbs of meat sounds to me like I wasn't doing something right. I stayed low and conservative because I distrusted the MES to hold temp, but according to the Maverick it did hold very well. That makes me think that I can be a tad more aggressive and maybe get a 12 hour cook on that size piece of meat without doing any harm.

It sat in the cooler wrapped in towels until the IT dropped to 167°. I unwrapped it and put it in a foil pan to pull apart with forks. The blade bone came out clean as a whistle. The meat was tender and moist.

This is what it looked like.

And after it was pulled . . .

And the sauce I made . . .


The sauce is based on vinegar with butter and various spices added including red pepper flakes and cayenne (and some other secrets not to be divulged until the recipe is perfected). I got the sauce too pepper-hot. Instead of throwing it out and starting over, I'm working on fixing it today. I'm diluting it with more vinegar and more butter and might put a piece of potato in to see if it will draw some of the pepper out.

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¹ The name of a widespread and very famous Texas supermarket chain is "HEB". It derives the name from its founder, H. E. Butt. Henceforth I shall probably refer to all the Boston butts I smoke as "H. E.'s butt.
 
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