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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

For those of you that have smoked several turkeys in the past, I was wondering approximately how long would it take to smoke a whole turkey that is about 12-14 lbs at a temp between 225-250. Trying to figure out what time I'll need to start it for a noon meal on Thanksgiving.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 10

Some where between 4 and 8 hours..

 

Here's a little reading..

 

http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/search.php?search=whole+turkey+time

 

My first turkey...http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/99200/first-turkey

 

 

http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/a/tips-slaughterhouse-recipes-for-poultry

 

  Craig

post #3 of 10

Last year I smoked a turkey that was 13.5 pounds in 4 hours at 250F. The skin did not come out rubbery. I used smoked till the bird temperature was around 145F and cooked till it was at 165F. The total time was four hours though.

This year I used my Treager to cook a turkey. It was a 22  pound bird and it took 4.5 hours to reach 165F at the breast at 325F cooking temperature.

I hope this helps

post #4 of 10
Thread Starter 

fpmnf and thelorax31,

 

Thanks for the info.  That gives me an idea when I need to start.

post #5 of 10

For poultry you can rough guess at 1/2 to 3/4 of an hour per pound.

post #6 of 10

Here are some notes from my Turkey smokes.

 

 

 

Note: when smoking turkey try purchasing one that is no more than 12-14 pounds. Much larger than this and the meat may stay in the danger zone (40-140 °F) for too long.
A 20 pound turkey will take 10-14 hours and larger turkeys greatly increase food contamination risks. A 12-14 pound turkey will be good, however a 20 pound bird can be done, just be careful of the "Danger zone".

For a turkey over 14 pounds, bump the temp up to 300-325°F the first few hours and for goodness sake, no peeking.


  • Brine Turkey, unless it already has been, such as "Moister Enhanced with up to 8% of solution" or "Self Basting" or "Kosher".
  • Brining enhances flavor but at the same time gives the cook a wider margin of error, ensuring a moist bird, in  my opinion anyway.
  • USDA States that BASTED or SELF BASTED: Bone-in poultry products that are injected or marinated with a solution containing butter or other edible fat, broth, stock or water plus spices, flavor enhancers and other approved substances must be labeled as basted or self basted. The maximum added weight of approximately 3% solution before processing is included in the net weight on the label. Label must include a statement identifying the total quantity and common or usual name of all ingredients in the solution, e.g., "Injected with approximately 3% of a solution of.
 
  • Water to salt ratio is 1:16 or 1 cup of Kosher salt per gallon of non-chlorinated water.
  • Sugar reduces the the taste of the salt, use the same ratio as the salt.
  • Whole Birds brine for about an hour a pound.
  • Breasts no more than 5-6 hours
     

Turkey Brine:

  • 2 Gal Water
  • 2 Cups Kosher Salt
  • 2 Cups Sugar (1 Cup white + 1 Cup Brown)
  • 4 TBS Black Pepper
  • 1 TBS Dried Rosemary
  • 1 TBS Thyme
  • 1/4 Cup White Wine (not Cooking Wine) or dry vermouth.

 

Combine all ingredients to 1 gallon of water in a large pot and bring to a slow simmer for 10 minute stirring, remove from heat and cool in refrigerator. Reserve  a few ounces for the beer can


Slather:
  • 1/4 Cup Olive Oil
  • 1 Tablespoon Worcestershire
  • 1 Tablespoon Rosemary
  • 1 Tablespoon Minced Onion
  • 1 Teaspoon Onion Powder
  • 1 Teaspoon Old Bay
  • 1 Teaspoon basil
  • 1 Teaspoon Thyme
  • 1/2 Teaspoon Cracked Pepper
  • 1/2 Teaspoon Celery Salt
  • 1/2 Teaspoon Poultry Seasoning


  • Remove the neck and giblets from the inside, trash the liver and place the neck and giblets in the refrigerator, this will be used for gravy. Place the turkey in cooler add brine then add enough ice to last the length of time the bird will be in the brine and make sure bird is submerged and place in a cool location. Soak a 12 pound turkey in the brine overnight or 10-12 hours in the fridge, the goal here is about an hour a pound.


  • Slather: Olive oil, butter, Garlic, Rosemary Time, Cracked Pepper, etc.. note the picture with all the spices. I warmed the slather about 25 second in microwave, mixed thoroughly and rest about half hour, then the slather is placed in the fridge to thicken up.


  • Gravy:  Fresh Sage, smoked garlic, green onions, white onion, applesauce and various spices as pictured below. Use fresh apples if you have them, the applesauce is a bit sweeter




Steps
 
  • Fire up smoker: and bring temp up to about 350°F. I used white ash and cherry wood.
  • Setup the beer can apparatus: and fill halfway with reserved brine. I Did not brine this bird due to the fact that it was an enhanced turkey, since it was enhanced , I just used a bit of Killians and spices as pictured.
  • Drip Pan: Place a grate then a disposable tin foil pan on the reverse flow plate with a quart of water to catch the drippings for gravy, add water as needed, place the giblets and neck bone in the pan. Add some celery onion slices and spices to the drip pan. This smoke I tried apple sauce for a sweet gravy and only added the neck bone at the wife's request. I did add 2 cups of water during the cook but it dd not need it.
  • Reduce risk of contamination:  Make sure everything is ready, reducing the possibility of contamination for example having the spices pre-measured in bowl and slather or rubs ready to go, because you will be handling the bird.
  • Trimming: Remove bird from brine, this was an enhanced bird so I did not have the option for brining, rinse thoroughly in cold water then pat dry. Trim the neck flap. Remove any pop up timer devices.
  • Rub/ Slather: At the least, make sure the breast is covered in a good slather or butter.
  • Stuffing the turkey: I do not cook stuffing in a smoked bird, if not being smoked on a beer can style apparatus, stuff with apple and onion quarters.
  • Placing the turkey: Once the smoker is preheated, to 350°F, about an hour works for my smoker, place the turkey over top of the beer can apparatus, pin the wings close to the sides with toothpicks, place the turkey in the drip pan and insert meat probes. This cook I put the probe in the innermost thigh. Some will plug up the neck hole with an onion, this one was not but it may decrease the cooking time slightly, the jury is still out on this one. I also placed the bird in a pan to catch the drippings for the gravy.
  • Smoking: Let the temp creep down slowly until a temperature range of 240-250°F is achieved, this may take an hour or so to level off. Plan on 30 to 40 minutes per pound at this temperature. Watch the wings and breast and if they start to get too brown you can cover them with some foil.
  • Sanitize: Once everything is on the smoker, I will wipe everything down with Chlorox Cleanup.
  • Mopping: If you want to mop your smoked turkey, wait until the last hour of the cooking time to start. This particular cook I brushed the bird  with honey about 60 minutes before it was done.
  • Danger Zone: Pay close attention to the cooking temps and time, if you are nearing the 4 hour mark and are not close to 140°F, I would suggest bumping your temps up to 325°F until you are out of the "Danger Zone".
  • Checking the Internal Temperature: (I strongly suggest that anyone doing whole poultry, educate themselves on the proper handling and cooking procedures.) The breast and thighs must reach different internal temperatures for ideal doneness. When the breast reaches 150°F, cover it with foil to prevent it from being overcooked. I removed this turkey when the thick part of the thigh reached 160°F. The temperature will rise after removing it from the smoker. Keep an eye on your times and temps, if you get a reading that doesn't make sense with the time chart, err on the side of caution. Although I did not take a reading of the breast it was cooked perfectly and If I had taken the thigh up to 170°F, it may have been overcooked.
  • Disclaimer for cooking temps, you knew that was coming. USDA states that the turkey should be cooked to a minimum of 165°F at the lowest temp reading. I would suggest an instant read thermometer, such as a Thermapen if you plan on smoking turkey. Check at the innermost part of the thigh and the thickest part of the breast and the lowest reading should be at 165°F, per USDA guidelines.
  • Resting:  Remove the turkey and cover loosely with aluminum foil for about 30 minutes. If I need up to an hour, the turkey will be wrapped in a thick towel in a non drafty area, any longer than an hour and its foiled, toweled and placed in a cooler with more towels.The resting is very important, a lot of the juices will redistribute into the meat ensuring its a moist bird. If you are pulling your turkey slightly before its final temp, make sure that you let it rest about a half hour wrapped in foil and lay a towel on top. During this rest your temps may increase due to carry over heat, so if you pulled it a little shy of 165°, don't sweat it.
  • Gravy: As the bird is resting finish up the gravy, Pour liquids from beer can apparatus and the drip pan through a strainer into a pot, bring gravy to a simmer and reduce by half, add spices to your preference, remove excess oil. Use arrow root or corn starch to thicken the gravy. If you have time you can refrigerate the gravy until the oils solidify on top then scrape the grease off  the top.
  • Carving: When carving the turkey if it appears pink Don't panic, this is normal. The smoking process causes a chemical change in turkey that causes it to turn pink. Just make sure the lowest reading is at 165°F.


  • Time charts, not an exact but in the ballpark,
This was a 12.4 lb bird and took almost 34 minutes per/lb at 230 - 240°F, I was at exactly 4 hours into the cook when I reached 140°F, next cook I will maintain 250- 260°F until it is out of the "danger zone", this was too close for comfort.
  • Cooking
    • At 235°F your turkey will take 30 to 35 minutes per pound.
    • At 250°F your turkey will take 25 to 30 minutes per pound.
    • At 275°F your turkey will take 20 to 25 minutes per pound.

  • Thawing: Frozen turkey thawing timetable. Weight In refrigerator In cold water

          In the Refrigerator (40°F or below)
         
Allow approximately 24 hours for every 4 to 5 pounds

    • 4 to 12 pounds 1 to 3 days
    • 12 to 16 pounds 3 to 4 days
    • 16 to 20 pounds 4 to 5 days
    • 20 to 24 pounds 5 to 6 days

I thawed this 12.4 pound bird in the refrigerator for 5 days and still had ice inside the turkey around the neck bone.

       In Cold Water
      Allow approximately 30 minutes per pound

    • 4 to 12 pounds 2 to 6 hours
    • 12 to 16 pounds 6 to 8 hours
    • 16 to 20 pounds 8 to 10 hours
    • 20 to 24 pounds 10 to 12 hours

Change the water every 30 minutes. Cook the turkey immediately after it is thawed.



Concerns/Notes:

  • When carving the turkey if it appears pink Don't panic, this is normal. The smoking process causes a chemical change in turkey that causes it to turn pink. Just make sure the lowest reading throughout the turkey reads 165°F.
  • This was a 12.4 lb bird and took almost 34 minutes per/lb at 230 - 240°F, I was at exactly 4 hours into the cook when I reached 140°F, next cook I will maintain 250- 260°F until it is out of the "danger zone", this was too close for comfort.
  • Keep the turkey refrigerated or in iced brine until ready to cook, do not bring up to room temperature before smoking.
  • Watch temps closely, the bird needs to be above 140°F in under 4 hours, bump up the temps until you are above the "Danger Zone".
  • The turkey turned out great, It had good flavor and was moist throughout, the dark meat was exceptional.
  • Compared to an Oven Roasted turkey and my "Keg Roasted Turkey" the smoked turkey wins over the Oven Roasted but not the Keg Roasted turkey, but in all fairness the turkey was 11 months old and was an enhanced bird so I did not have the option of brining. I will follow this up with a fresh bird next time. However the skin was much better on the smoked turkey than the Keg Roasted Turkey,
  • The gravy was good but needs work, I think next time I will saute or brown some of the ingredients before adding to the drip pan and use fresh diced apples in place of apple sauce. The sauce was much better the next day, after removing the grease.
  • Many will say you can not get a crisp skin smoking with low heat, I had no problem getting a crispy skin and this bird was smoked sitting in liquids.

 

 

 

 


 
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 Spices used for the slather and Gravy

 
 Fresh Sage, smoked garlic, green onions, white onion, applesauce and various spices.  Bird ready to go, can half full with Killians and spices as pictured with a large sprig of fresh sage and smoked garlic.
 
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 Cherry wood smoke.
Note the removed grate, the pan is sitting directly on the reverse flow plate.


 
 Foiled Wings, starting to get dark  Foiled breast when thigh reached 150°F
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 Removed all foil at 155°F and brushed with honey Pulled when thigh reached 160°F  Rested, wrapped in foil and towels for 30 minutes and ready to carv


 

post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 

Sqwib,

 

Thanks for sharing your recipes. I may be using some of your ideas.

 

Have a great Thanksgiving

post #8 of 10

This one is TOP Shelf in my book !!!  Thanks !drool.gif

post #9 of 10

Thanks Squib for sharing another great post 

post #10 of 10

If I was a betting man I would say your bird will take around 5 hours give or take. But as with all smoked meat make sure you are monitoring your internal temps to be sure that you cook it to a save internal temp and that that it gets out of the danger zone.

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