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jennenga

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I finally have started my 1951 IH fridge conversion,but I am kind of lost on the heat source. I really would like to use a replacement smoker element, but not sure how to control the temp. In these forums there is much talk about PID's, and I do understand how they work. My problem is I am not savvy enough to wire one myself. Is there any PIDS out there that can just be plugged into your heating element and go? I also am on a very limited budget(dirt poor)! Anybody know some options and can help? I thank you in advance for your time and help.  Smoke on!!!
 
Keep talkin,please, I have seen a few threads on here about wiring a PID, but is it really that easy to someone who has basic electronic knowledge. I would love to run a PID! It would make so much more sense to me than using a hotplate or oven controls. These guys that are using the Brinkmann replacement element, how do they control temps without a PID?
 
basically it's simply wiring a low voltage supply to your PID to power it...and then ordering a SSR (solid State relay) that has the appropriate power and amperage to control whatever it is you want to power up whether that's a blower, or a heating element. Choosing the correct SSR is the crucial step...then a couple wires from the PID to the SSR and the from the SSR to the blower or heating element and then from a 120vac power supply, wire up the temp. probe to the PID  and you are good to go.

I think there are a few schematics on here....and the PID's all come with wiring schematics as well.  Again, fairly simple to do.

Dan
 
Wiring a PID is easy. You can even get PIDs that have their own built in wide-range power supply, which is what i did. It runs on anything from 100vac to 250vac. 

In my case, I bought the RKC pid controller behind ebay # 220878740832 - which came with a thermocouple (but a stubby one rather than the long one in the auction photo).

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Yes it's in china, it arrived in 2 weeks tho. I cannot vouch for the seller other than to say that my pid showed up in good time and works. it came with chinese language instructions but i found an english language pdf online. There are many other (often RKC brand) auto-tuning PIDs on ebay that will run off of mains without a low-voltage supply. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There are a few rules to building anything that runs on AC mains. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]1: If it is powered or has recently been powered, keep one hand in a pocket. The only real danger from high voltage is when you create a circuit across your chest, which could stop your heart. So use only one hand when working with the powered circuit, or if it's been powered up in the last couple hours.[/font]  The other hand should not be grounded.

2: In north america AC mains has hot, neutral, and ground (aka earth). If you are only switching one side (the SSR is only switching one side), switch HOT. This is a rule for all AC power use, fwiw, not just PIDs. 

3: If you have metal enclosures, ground 'em. 

4: Aim high for ratings. A 250vac 25A SSR is a perfectly reasonable SSR for a 110vac 12A heating element. 

It's really very simple. You can get a pre-built controller but it is so much cheaper to build your own. I used a gutted AT computer power supply from my own junk pile to keep it in, and recycled the power switch from the same power supply. Reused the wires, too. Used terminal connectors and crimping tool that were cheap at harbor freight tools. 

Tell you what - if you build your own, you can post several pictures of your build before you power it up, and i can tell you if you wired it right. 
 
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basically it's simply wiring a low voltage supply to your PID to power it...and then ordering a SSR (solid State relay) that has the appropriate power and amperage to control whatever it is you want to power up whether that's a blower, or a heating element. Choosing the correct SSR is the crucial step...then a couple wires from the PID to the SSR and the from the SSR to the blower or heating element and then from a 120vac power supply, wire up the temp. probe to the PID  and you are good to go.

I think there are a few schematics on here....and the PID's all come with wiring schematics as well.  Again, fairly simple to do.

Dan
 
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