Well I finally got a stuffer. Was at Cabela's and they had their stuffers on sale. Got the 20' one onsale for 269 and I have a coupon on top of that so I was happy. Tried it out and works pretty dang good. Cabela's still has them on sale. http://www.cabelas.com/product/Home...-making/_/N-1101296/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_104552280 This is a picture from their website of the stuffer.