cool, one word...I ordered mine from LEM as a refurb and it was only 50 some bucks that way, I also noticed on the weston supply site that they had some of these units refurb going for....gasp....27 bucks....... this grinder is really nice for being just a #8, granted on the first run for one reason or another I broke the knife, it shattered into 3 pieces...but LEM, even though it was a refurb, sent me a replacement at no cost......