After that last failure decide to go back to my old stand by. McCormick® Meat Loaf Seasoning Mix. Just follow directions and comes out great every time. Really simple. Got beef from local butcher. I do add saute onions. Made two 1 lb this time as going to give half to friend anyhow. Boy they cook faster like this. Put into MES at 140 to hold while got everything else ready. Made some cauliflower mash and fried cabbage. I kind of did my own take on Jeff's mash and turned out really good. Man that was a great meal!