Lang 60 Mods

Discussion in 'Wood Smokers' started by smok'n steve, Feb 18, 2008.

  1. smok'n steve

    smok'n steve Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Here is another mod in progress. I have been testing temps and welding all weekend, the only changes I need to do is add two more vent holes through the fire box to give me more than 325 for baby smoker hi temps. I was able to get 200 with my firebox vents closed, and 325 with them wide open. I will keep this post posted with any progress or failures:) I am trying to create a reverse flow warmer with a baffle that doubles as a griddle and I would like to cook and grill on it too--we'll see I guess
     
  2. ds7662

    ds7662 Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member

    Great pics!!
     
  3. richtee

    richtee Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Well now... interesting ideas there. Please DO keep updated!
     
  4. cman95

    cman95 Master of the Pit SMF Premier Member

    That looks as if it should work. Will you be able to control opening size on vents to baby smoker? Keep us posted.[​IMG]
     
  5. capt dan

    capt dan Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Momma Lang with a Baby! what a concept. Is that a 48 you are hookin to your 60? Instead of a 84, you now have a 108!

    I will be staying tuned to your progress![​IMG]
     
  6. smok'n steve

    smok'n steve Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    No, its not a 48. It is a 36" by 15" propane tank I crafted into a mini Lang look a like. I used to have small firebox attached to it and it was mounted in parallel with the 60. I mainly used it as a warmer but it was also a great little charcoal steak grill. My firebox wasn't big enough for good control of high temps, so I cut it off and have relocated the BABY so I can use only one source of fuel.

    Dan, Are you planning a road trip with a 2" ball trailer hitch soon??

    Cman95, to answer your question about the vent control, Yes, if you look closely at the pics, you will see a sliding vent that can be fully closed or open and anywhere in between. At full closed, no smoke, the baby stays at 200, if I add water, it can go less for warming. At full open, with smoke, I can only achieve 325, so I am going to drill 2 more holes in between the others(already prepunched them, but wanted to test 3 holes first) I will keep the thread posted as to whether I fail or succeed:)

    Feel free to add ideas or warnings. I am concerned about tinkering too much with the firebox but I am thinking that multiple round holes is more structural than one big hole which could cause cracking.
     
  7. capt dan

    capt dan Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Yes Steve I am heading to Philly in 12 days to get my 60! I do use a 2 incher on all my boats and trailers. Now that I look at your avatar, I see where the " baby" was before. You get points for being engenius and ambitious with your mods. Keep us informed of the experiment![​IMG]
     
  8. smok'n steve

    smok'n steve Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Hey Dan, I bet 12 days seems like a long time, but soon, it will be a long time ago. Smoke has a way of moving time faster!!


    Well, today, I drilled out 2 more holes, and added my grease/water drain pipe that will eventually be welded thru to the baffle plate. Once the baffle plate is permanently welded in place, there is no turning back. I only took a pic of the new holes and pipe, but the 1/4 inch baffle plate can be viewed in post #1.

    I tested today too and was able to get 375 out of the baby---no more. i am thinking thats probably good enough, although the thick baffle holds so much thermal energy it ramps up and down slowly. Its great for recovery temps after opening the door.

    Considering this, I need to decide whether I want it permanent or removable, I am leaning towards welding it in place so that it can be filled with water for warming purposes, although, I could probably seal up a removable one with sides and a drop in pipe to pipe for draining. The flip side to this is that it would be a better grill without the baffle in place for more direct heat even though it reaches medium grilling temps in place.

    Need to sleep on it.
     
  9. capt dan

    capt dan Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    the only thing/problem I can see....................you need to bend that baffle handle 90 degrees.It looks to be a real ball buster![​IMG]
     
  10. shooterrick

    shooterrick Master of the Pit Group Lead OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Wow steve that is like a baby baluga whale with its mom! What a concept. I have thought of adding a vertical to my 48 down the road that has closable vents to turn from smoke to warmer. Thats down the road though. Want to see if my 48 is enough for for me. My idea was to use mutiple baffles that could be opened or closed indepenantly since it would set directly on fire box. Your the expert what do you think?

    Rick
     
  11. kookie

    kookie Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Great looking mods.................Great project......Good job...............
     
  12. richtee

    richtee Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Impressive... altho Dan may have a point on the damper handle..LOL! Think you'll be able to get enough heat without smoke to make the griddle work? This is all very well done in the fab department too! Keep updating!
     
  13. smok'n steve

    smok'n steve Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Good point:) Although, if I get the boys that close to the firebox, they will get toasted first!!


    To Richtee, The griddle/baffle plate reaches 500 degrees on the surface so its a go!! I fried an egg on it with the firebox holes closed up (cooler)

    To ShooterRick ..on that same note about the holes closed up-------When I first put the baby over the firebox, I got 180 to 200 without holes, so with water in it, it is a great warmer without major fabrication. Of course, I think you would want a way to vent the warmer for air flow:)

    I did try a cookie sheet between the firebox and the 60 to see if I could direct more heat up to the Baby before I added the extra 2 holes. The makeshift cookie sheet baffle didn't seem to change it much, But I may do a similar better test in the future to see if I can actually cook with the baby without heating up the 60.

    Its all trial and error:)
     
  14. gramason

    gramason Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member

    Looks great, nice mods.
     
  15. smok'n steve

    smok'n steve Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Its pretty much done, I welded my griddle/baffle permanently in place so that it will hold water or grease and plumbed it to the drain valve (this is the baffle discussed in earlier posts). Those of you who Weld may notice my welds got a little better with this part of the project----The gas guy gave my 100% Argon by mistake and I finally figure out my problem and now I am using the right mix---Argon/CO2.

    Basically, the purpose for the BABY was for warming, but it also can be used as a griddle for frying and..... when I put in the firebox baffle(a 2nd baffle) to direct more heat up, I can grill with it too. The firebox baffle saves me fuel too because I am not heating up the model 60 as much. With the baby at 425, the model 60 is at 150(firebox baffle in). The pics will show that I use a threaded black pipe to install and remove the baffle flames or not.

    With the firebox baffle out and the lang 60 at a steady 250, I can still get Baby up to 350 to 375 which should be great for birds if I am doing butts or briskets in the model 60.

    Also, for warming, I filled the griddle with water and have a range from 140 to 190 with water depending on the firebox vents. If I want to warm without water, and I can keep the baby as low as 230 with the sliding vents closed.

    Lot of information here, but I know there a few lang owners and others who might like the data and honestly, If i don't write this now, I'll forget it!!!!

    Here's some pics......
     
  16. capt dan

    capt dan Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Very nice Steve, I am envious. I wish I had your tools and ambition. I used to weld alot of stuff at one of my old jobs, but do not own my own welder.
    I think you got the baby lang all figured out, gonna be cool to see how ya use it. Thanks for keeping us informed.

    points for you!
     
  17. smok'n steve

    smok'n steve Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Thanks Dan,

    I have to be honest, when you used the word ambition, you must know that it is really obsession. I am so crazy about smok'n meat that I spent more on a Mig welder that I could have for just a warmer. So, I think you are the smart one when it comes to road trips to PA!!!!!
     
  18. smok'n steve

    smok'n steve Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I did the final testing with birds in the Baby and some pork chops in the 60. Basically, I kept the 60 at 220 degrees and the baby at 325 degrees. It was pretty cool with the beer can birds setting on the griddle, their dripping fat constantly sizzled on the steel and created a nice BBQ aroma and helped baste them too.

    So in the pics below, just like the smokers, Mama and Baby, there is the birds, Mama and Baby:)
     
  19. capt dan

    capt dan Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Very nice! I guess you could say your lil experiment was a success! How did the birds taste? I bet they were yummy and juicy. I'm doing a 14 lb ribeye today.

    Turkey, Chickens and chops, what next?
     
  20. squeezy

    squeezy Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    I am awestruck ... excellent work dog!

    Please take a bow .... [​IMG]
     

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