I need an adjustable regulator.

Discussion in 'Propane Smokers' started by blzafour, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. blzafour

    blzafour Smoke Blower

    I got a gas smoker that is too hot.... just like alot of us with gas smokers! On low it is at 225 with the vents wide open.

    I want to get it down to about 110* - 120* for doing Venison sausage. But I am having a tough time finding an adjustable regulator anywhere.

    Help..... What do I need to do? Where can I get one On-line at?

    Thanks , BLZA
     
  2. morkdach

    morkdach Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    i know they have like an adjustable flow valve on some of the turkey friers check your local hardware outlets.[​IMG]
     
  3. blzafour

    blzafour Smoke Blower

    I didn't think the ones for a turkey fryer would work on a gas smoker?
     
  4. pineywoods

    pineywoods Smoking Guru Staff Member Administrator Group Lead SMF Premier Member

    Its going to be hard to get any gas smoker that low in the summer even with a needle valve conversion. Have you thought about just using charcoal in the chip pan with chips or chunks to see what kind of temps you can get with that?
     
  5. blzafour

    blzafour Smoke Blower

    I got a GOSM that I can get down to 100* in the summer with no Mods to it at all. It has always been that way since the day it came out of the box. It is the 36" model and my new smoker is a 48" model. I want to try and get the new smoker down to that temp for doing venison sausage and jerky. Since it is bigger I would be able to get more in it at one time then I can on the 36" model. The 48" has 6 shelves in it compared to 4 shelves in the 36".

    How many degrees ,on the average, can you drop the temp. with an adjustable regulator?

    Blza
     
  6. pineywoods

    pineywoods Smoking Guru Staff Member Administrator Group Lead SMF Premier Member

    I honestly don't know how much you can drop it with one before the flame will blow out. I can't get my GOSM below 215 or so in the summer and being in Fl its almost always summer temps
     
  7. blzafour

    blzafour Smoke Blower

    What type of an adjustable regulator do I need to get. And where "online" can I get one from ?
    Thanks ,Blza
     
  8. pineywoods

    pineywoods Smoking Guru Staff Member Administrator Group Lead SMF Premier Member

  9. blzafour

    blzafour Smoke Blower

    THANKS PINEYWOODS! Now I think I am on to something.... I see they have a propane reg. kit w/ a needle valve included in the line. Would that work do you think. Or is it to many P.S.I? I thought these smokers ran on about a 1/2 P.S.I.... This says it is adjustable.
    Blza
     
  10. pineywoods

    pineywoods Smoking Guru Staff Member Administrator Group Lead SMF Premier Member

    I think the adjustable one would work fine but I honestly don't know
     
  11. justpassingthru

    justpassingthru Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member

    I'm not certain if an adjustable regulator is the way you want to go. Why not install a needle valve after the regulator, that way you would be adjusting flow while keeping pressure the same.

    There are several threads here with pics on how to do it, they say it works well, I have ordered all of the parts, spent about $15, but they haven't arrived yet so personally I can't tell you how well it works.

    I have used the adjustment knob on the smoker between off and high and I can hold temps at 170° with ambient temp of 85°, but I don't feel safe using it that way.

    Gene
     
  12. fasteddie

    fasteddie Fire Starter

    The adjustable regulator you are looking at is adjustable from 0 - 30 psi. If you have a low pressure burner, it is designed to operate with a 1/2 psi regulator. The problem is that you are going to try to regulate between 0 and 1/2 psi to get your cooking temps down, which is less than 2% of the total range of the adjustable regulator you are looking at, so if it takes, for instance, 3 complete turns of the regulator knob to go from 0 to 30 psi, your adjustment range would be in about the first 18 degrees of rotation, or about 1/20th of a turn of the knob...very "granular" resolution.

    For me, a needle valve makes more sense and offers more precise adjustment, as well as being 1/4 the price.
     
  13. beer-b-q

    beer-b-q Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    I would think that getting the temp inside a metal box down to 100 to 120 degrees in the summer would be pretty hard to do considering summer temps usually run 90 to 100 degrees ambient and inside of a closed metal bow would be higher than that without ever lighting the burner.

    Look how hot closed up cars get inside.
     
  14. blzafour

    blzafour Smoke Blower

    So, where could I get a needle valve at. I have looked all over the place for one and have not had no luck. Can you get them off of the internet?and if so, where can I get one from.

    Thanks, Blza
     
  15. fasteddie

    fasteddie Fire Starter

    Bayou Classic Depot seems to have a corner on the propane burner/accessories market. There are several online stores that Do Right Services seems to be behind, as well as apparently being a major supplier to the industry in general. My experience with them has not been positive, but I am willing to admit that I may be the exception rather than the rule. I am sure there are many satisfied customers out there, but sadly, I am not one of them.

    Please know that I have no affiliation with any company in this line of products. One of my pet peeves, one of the things that irk me the most, is when an online company sells you a product that they currently do not have in stock, and then not notify you so that you have the option to find your product elsewhere. Maybe I am one of those unfortunate few that fell through the cracks, but I still have yet to hear from Bayou Classic after placing an order with them on July 15, 2009. To their credit, they have not billed me for this item, a needle valve, but I have since demanded that they cancel my order.

    I placed an order for the same item with King Kooker/Metal Fusion, Inc. yesterday, and they have already notified me that my item has shipped, and supplied me with a tracking number so that I can anticipate it's arrival. That is the kind of customer service that I expect and that I deserve. Maybe my order is too small for a big company like BCD to pay attention to, I dunno. Whatever the reason, it will be a long while before I buy anything from BCD. Hopefully, YMMV.

    King Kooker is apparently a reseller, and there was about a 30% upcharge (including shipping) over what BCD was selling the same item for, so the bottom line is that you pays your money and you takes your choice. To me, a bird (or a needle valve) in the hand is worth two in the bush (or silently backordered).
     
  16. fasteddie

    fasteddie Fire Starter

    I agree.

    The rule that I have learned is that there is generally a maximum 20 degree differential between ambient and accumulated temps before temperature migration...in other words, if it is 100 degrees outside, the temp inside a metal box would have the potential to rise to about 120 or so before it starts giving off heat to the outside air. Of course, if the wind is blowing, or the box is sealed and sitting in the direct sunlight, that will make a huge difference, but I would not expect a higher temp inside a closed box that is not in the sun beyond about 20 degrees delta, and probably significantly less, depending on humidity, barometric pressure, wind conditions, etc.

    I think, if you use a couple of digital thermometers, you will find that there is very little difference between inside and outside temps. At least, that has been my experience,
     
  17. hoser

    hoser Smoking Fanatic SMF Premier Member

    You can get a needle valve at Grainger's for five bucks. This alteration worked great on my GOSM big block, but be sure you keep an eye on it the whole time. It can regulate the flame so low that it will blow out in a good breeze. Try to keep it sheltered and check it often, or you could have a dangerous propane buildup.
     
  18. bbq engineer

    bbq engineer Master of the Pit OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Here is another option...I haven't ordered anything from them yet, but I did bookmark this as I have my eye on a few things for future experiments. They have it all, and I bet they also have the expertise to answer a few questions.

    http://www.bigway.com/index.html
     
  19. blzafour

    blzafour Smoke Blower

    Thanks everybody for the help....I really appreciate it! I don't want to do something wrong and have somebody get hurt. I want to do it the safest way possible.

    BBQ Engineer. Thanks for the link to that site. I will be giving them a call. Looks like they will have a good and safe solution for getting the temp down.

    Thanks,Blza
     
  20. Grainger item number?

    Also the instructions on my PerfectFlame smoker said to only open the valve on my tank 1.5 turns. Any thoughts on this? I haven't really had a problem though.
     

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