For years I did 2-2-1 foiling in apple juice. Not bad. Far better than any restaurant. But the ribs were always a little too mushy ( I.E. a little to much fall off the bone) for me, Then recently I tried 5 hours without foiling. A lot better. But still a bit on the tough side. Need to meet in the middle if only I could get the recipe for unwrapped baby backs please.