Getting high temps in the Brinkman Smoke n Pit

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waytoodeep03

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Oct 30, 2009
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Has anyone had trouble getting their temps up to 350-375+ with this smoker?

I tried my first smoke last week and figured that the ashes were choking my heat, so tomorrow I plan on using the top grate in the firebox as my charcoal holder.

I need to know if the temps can even get this high with this smoker or am I out of my mind?
 
LOL - well, I would never say you are out of your mind...but my opinion is that this type of smoker isn't really built to run that hot for very long.

What are you planning to cook?
 
Turkey 19#.

I was planning on putting it in the oven until temps of 140 then put on the hot smoker.

Or if I could get temps that high I was going to put it in the smoker right after brining and put it the hottest area on the grill until 140 in foil then unfoil and move to a cooler range until 170.
 
I have two Smoke N Pits, a new one and one from the late 80's. In the new one, the only way to hit those temps are as follows...

#1. In the bottom of the box, using a uni-bit, drill one hole on each side about the size of a quarter. When you are not smoking at high temps, these holes can be covered with fridge magnets or dollar coins. The holes will draw in additional air, and can be used as drain holes when hosing out your smoker.

#2. Drill about 8 1/2" holes on opposite sides of the charcoal bowl. You'll end up with a total of 16 holes, 8 on each side. Space the holes and include some near the bottom of the pan.

#3. Purchase a small sheet of expansion metal, light gauge will do. Take a paper plate and using a black marker, draw a circle about 1/2" larger then the plate. Use the plate for a guide. We have to use something to support the metal mesh, I used the circular ring off of a beer can chicken holder. Anything metal will do, just so long as it is clean metal. Place the metal ring on bottom of pan, and place mesh on top. Now air will flow freely through your charcoal pan. A few taps on the side and ash will drop below the mesh we inserted.

Using these mods, I was able to hit over 400 degrees reliably and consistently. Just make sure to cover those two holes in bottom on smoker when you are low temp smoking.
 
I would recommend starting it out as high as possible in the smoker and then moving to the oven after you have applied smoke...

Meat takes on the smoke flavor early in the smoke, after it reaches the 140º temp it doesn't absorb it much...
 
Ahhh - gottcha.

Well, for starters - and I'm no expert, so hopefully others chime in - but I wouldn't cook a bird that big at 375...even though you brined it, might still dry it out too much.

However, I like your idea of starting it in a hot oven - so as not to be in the "danger zone" for more than 4 hours.

Also, brined turkeys take smoke flavoring well, so I don't think there is anything wrong with smoking last...even though a lot of folks would smoke first then finish in the oven.

I would put that bird in the oven at 350...then when the internal temp hits 140 - move it to a smoker that's running at 275° Should only need to be on there for about 2 hours in order to get up to temp.

My guess would be that it will have a very light smoke taste to it, but as long as you pull when the internal temp hits 160 or 165, then wrap it in foil for an hour - it will be moist!

Interesting topic, because if it were me - I would start on a 300° smoker and then finish in the oven...but I don't see anything wrong with doing it your way either. Wonder if anyone else has an opinion...either way - let us know how it turns out!
 
True to a certain extent - especially with thick, beefy cuts....however, with a brined bird - it will still get a noticable smoke flavor, right?

Also - correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the smoke ring no longer happens after 140°, but the smoke FLAVOR continues to work as long as you smoke it.

At least - that's what I think I've heard
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PROPER SMOKING TECHNIQUES

Developing a Proper Smoke Ring: This is one of the easiest but most misunderstood or taught process of smoking. The key to a GREAT smoke ring is a double understanding.

First, understand that the meat protein starts to set or cook at 120 degrees F internal temperature and is completely cook at 140 degrees. Once the protein sets it can not and will not absorb any more smoke flavor. Especially the leaner meats. This is important to know and learn.

Second, knowing that the first fact is true, now you want to get your meat in the smoker as cool as possible. The cooler the meat the better, but not frozen. The cooler the meat the bigger the range of temperature you have to develop your smoke ring. Example: Putting your Brisket in a smoker at 40 degrees now gives you a range of 80 degrees to develop your ring. If you put your brisket in at 60 degrees, you have now decreased your chance to develop a deeper smoke ring by 20 degrees of cooking time.
So if you looking for the smoke ring, get your product in your smoker at a cooler temperature.


Knowing that the meat protein sets at 120 degrees F, it is not necessary to use a lot of wood to achieve a great smoke ring and smoke flavor. Hence I usually only use wood for the first two hours of smoking. Excessive wood can lead to a harsh flavor on the outside of your meat. Specially in smaller smoker chambers where the air space to meat is smaller. In the larger trailer smokers, where you have much more air space to meat density, the amount and time of wood burning can be greatly increased. Brisket for example does not take well to too much smoke, neither does, chicken, ribs or seafood. Pork butts and shoulders can take more smoke flavor, mostly because of the amount of fat in the product.

Developing a Bark:The "bark" as it is known in the BBQ world is the outer crust developed by the rub which you use absorbing the juices as it cooks and adheres to the meat. It is important to remember not to "MOP" your smoking product to soon, since this will wash away your dry and you will not develop the bark. My rule of thumb is to not mop for the first two hours, allowing my dry rub to develop the bark before I will even start to mop my products.
I do not follow this rule for chicken, because chicken does not take as long to smoke and you really don't want a bark on your smoked chicken products, plus, dry rubs should be used sparingly on any chicken products.

Applying Dry Rubs:Dry rubs can be applied the night before or the hour before, this is really determined by the amount of salt ratio in your rub. The greater the salt ratio the more moisture it will pull out of your meat product. I like to apply my dry rubs on the product while the smoker fire and chamber is getting hot or to temperature. If the salt ratio is lower, I will use it earlier. In my Pulled Pork Rub, the salt ratio is very low, so I apply the rub 12 hours ahead. On ribs and brisket I apply the rub while the smoker is heating up. Chicken I apply the rub just before placing it in the smoker.

Mopping:Begin your mopping after the first 2 hours of smoking. Mopping can be done by using a cloth mop, brush or spray bottles. Mopping with flavored liquids will enhance the outer flavor of the meat and need to compliment your dry rub. Spray bottles work well for misting your product, but the mop needs to be strained of any particles to keep the spray head from clogging up.

http://www.ribstarsbbq.com/sultantips.html
 
Hi Way, that's the first time I've heard of temps NOT high enough in an unmodded SnP! I've got one...I'll send you some info via PM.
 
Wrong product. I jumped to a conclusion that we have the same smokers, if you have a firebox, that is something different entirely from my Brinkmann Smoke n Pit. I don't understand why Brinkmann would have different smokers with the same exact product name....

Edit: Actually, the smoker pictured in that link is a pitmaster according to Brinkmann's site. He must have an offset smoke n pit.
 
That is why I posted the link as to its source for people to decide the articles worth...

Guess I should have posted the disclaimer the comments posted do not necessarily reflect the opinions of this poster...
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I have always heard that the meat stops taking smoke after it reaches a certain temperature. I personally have always applied smoke the entire time I had meat in the smoker...
 
http://www.brinkmann.net/images/prod...5-2101-S-L.jpg

that is the smoke n' grill, which i just purchased and did a few racks of ribs, but not too sure what i did wrong. im thinking i maybe over smoked em. used sugar and silver maple to smoke with, for about 7 hrs. they just seemed to be tuff, had real good flavor though. i guess i just need some more research on using that type of smoker, and smoking in general.
 
Hey guys, i just burned 20lbs of charcoal and I can't above 270 f. The smoke n pit I have is an offset with a fire box on the left and cooking chamber 38inches long both shaped like a small oil drum. I tried it last weekend unmodified and got maybe up to 270 right out of the box again over 20 lbs charcoal..

This week I built a charcoal box as big as will fit in the fire chamber, added a deflector plate and baffles so heat goes across the bottom to the right of the cooking chamber and sealed the lid all around with stove rope. Also added fire bricks on bottom under baffles and back side.

Put 2 digital remote thermometers on the meat rack to monitor temps accurately on both sides of cooking surface. By adjusting the baffles I can get temps pretty even but still can't hit 300 f, close at times but with my charcoal box almost full I think it should hit 350 plus easily. Firebox is higher than original charcoal grate by about an inch, not blocked with ashes, both vent and smoke stack wide open even opened the fire box door but didn't help. Kingston charcoal, both regular and competition.

I have gone on somewhat but I am stuck. I don't want to drill holes in it yet since with this performance I am returning it to Home Depot if I can't get some decent temps without burning a ton of charcoal. Actually I had it stacked almost to the firebox door with fully lit charcoal and got close to 300. Sorry to say but I think this Smoke N Pit is a piece of junk. Several on the internet seem to agree.

Right now with plenty of charcoal in the firebox temp is 194, it's not fresh charcoal but half full with charcoal put in an hour and a half ago. Also put in wood to creat smoke so I could check for leaks, the rope sealed it real good.

Man am I frustrated and disappointed, CAN ANYONE HELP OR RELATE THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THIS MODEL?

Roy
 
Just a couple corrections.

Charcoal box not firebox is about an inch higher than the original charcoal grate. Also I forgot i moved the baffles so that 194f is wrong. That was right side at 194f, left side is 260. Built in temp gage 220f

Giving up going out to dinner with my wife.

HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP IT GOES BACK THIS WEEKEND

ROY
 
Simple fix - place a small amount of charcoal (20-25 bricks) in the cooking chamber.  Spread them broadly on the lowest level so as not to cause direct cooking.  Used this technique often with great success, esp. when space allows you to position bricks so they are not directly under the meat.
 
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