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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 


is probably the best e-mail I've seen in a long,
long time. The following has been attributed to
State Representative Mitchell Kaye
from GA. This guy
should run for President one

the sensible people of the United States, in an
attempt to help everyone get along, restore some
semblance of justice, avoid more riots, keep our
nation safe, promote positive behavior, and
secure the blessings of debt-free liberty to
ourselves and our
great-great-great-grandchildren, hereby try one
more time to ordain and establish
some common
sense guidelines for the terminally
whiny, guilt ridden, delusional, and other
liberal bed-wetters. We hold these truths to be
self evident: that a whole lot of people are
confused by the Bill of
Rights and are so dim they require a
Bill of NON-Rights."

do not have the right to a new car, big screen
TV, or any other form of wealth. More power to
you if you can legally acquire them, but no one
is guaranteeing anything.

do not have the right to never be offended. This
country is based on freedom, and that means
freedom for everyone -- not just you! You may
leave the room, turn the channel, express a
different opinion, etc; but the world is full of
idiots, and probably always will

do not have the right to be free from harm.
If you stick a screwdriver in your eye,
learn to be more careful; do not expect the tool
manufacturer to make you and all your relatives
independently wealthy..

do not have the right to free food and housing.
Americans are the most charitable people to be
found, and will gladly help anyone in need, but
we are quickly growing weary of subsidizing
generation after generation of professional
couch potatoes who achieve nothing more than the
creation of another generation of professional
couch potatoes .

do not have the right to free health
care. That would be nice, but from the
looks of public housing, we're just not
interested in public health

do not have the right to physically harm other
people. If you kidnap, rape, intentionally maim,
or kill someone, don't be surprised if the rest
of us want to see you fry in the electric

do not have the right to the possessions of
others. If you rob, cheat, or coerce away the
goods or services of other citizens, don't be
surprised if the rest of us get together and
lock you away in a place where you still won't
have the right to a big screen color TV or a
life of leisure.

do not have the right to a job. All of us
sure want you to have a job, and will
gladly help you along in hard times, but we
expect you to take advantage of the
opportunities of education and vocational
training laid before you to make yourself
useful. (AMEN!)

do not have the right to happiness. Being an
American means that you have the right to PURSUE
happiness, which by the way, is a lot easier if
you are unencumbered by an over abundance of
idiotic laws created by those of you who were
confused by the Bill of

is an English speaking country. We don't care
where you are from, English is our language.
Learn it or go back to wherever you came from!

do not have the right to change our country's
history or heritage. This country was founded on
the belief in one true God. And yet, you are
given the freedom to believe in any religion,
any faith, or no faith at all; with no fear of
persecution. The phrase IN GOD WE TRUST is
part of our
heritage and history, and if you are
uncomfortable with it, TOUGH!

you agree, share this with a friend. No, you
don't have to, and nothing tragic will befall
you if you don't.

I got this as an email and I thought it made alot of sense and said alot of the same thinks most of us are saying or atleast thinking. Not sure if this is the right place to put this post.

post #2 of 21
I always came here to avoid politics
post #3 of 21
That is one of the smartest e-mails that I have seen in along time. I believe if we could get all them a-holes in Washington to adopt this thing or leave that would be nice too. Maybe we could get some nice hard working men and women to take their place that would just hunky dorie with me too. We need some one with the Gahonna's to take a stand and lead us folks back to the way we used to live. Things were alot better when we were growning up and Mom knew where you were because other people cared about themselves and their neighbors. I better stop or this could be a really long post. Thanks Kookie
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 
I didn't post it really as a political thing. I posted as more of a common sense thing. Because it seems to me that common sense is something that our country has lost. People need to start taking responsablity for their actions and not blame them on someone else or expect someone else to fix their mistakes. I am all for help others out, but they also need to want to help theirselfs out too. It reminds me of the old saying "You can take a horse to the watering hole, but you can't make them drink."
post #5 of 21
Im with ya Kookie. Unfortunately, common sense is not common.....
post #6 of 21
PDT_Armataz_01_37.gifpoints.gif.. Hemi..
post #7 of 21
thumbs up Kookie
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Article 2biggrin.gif

Very nice read.....
post #9 of 21
points.gifI only wish that this could be the way that all people looked at the oportunities in this country!!! PDT_Armataz_01_37.gif
post #10 of 21
LMAO...exactly what popped in my head....nice post..good points in it
post #11 of 21
Current Constitution:
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
post #12 of 21
Historical notes on Article XI:

IN GOD WE TRUST first found its way onto U.S. coin in 1864. Its use has not been continuous - for example it disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until 1938.

It was not a national motto until 1956**, and only first appeared on paper currency in 1957.

Nowhere does it appear in the Declaration of Independence, nor in the Constitution or its Amendments. In fact the Founders were careful to NOT include such in the Constitution, as they'd just separated themselves via protracted war from a nation that declared specific allegiance to the one true God. And the majority of the most consequential Founders were deists, not worshippers of any particular God. If they "trusted God", why stage a Revolution? Why not let God handle things?

Sorry folks. But if you're gonna post things like that silly chain email as expressions of your belief, I'm allowed to post facts relevant to it - even if they don't necessarily agree with your sentiments. If y'all want to create a new Preamble you're gonna have to stage a new Constitutional Convention. That is, if you're sooo eager to change our nation's history and heritage....

**This was a direct reaction to the Red Menace.
post #13 of 21
While it makes for a interesting read it would appear Mr. Kaye had nothing to do with this.
According to Snopes.com anyhow.
But then who is back checking Snopes??
post #14 of 21
Since we are on a history lesson. One of the first found references of the motto “In God We Trust” is heard in the U.S. National Anthem, The Star-Spangled Banner. The song was written by Francis Scott Key in 1814 and later adopted as the national anthem. In the last stanza Key writes a variation of the phrase: “...And this be our motto: In God is our trust. And the Star Spangled Banner in triumph shall wave, O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave.” The words were shortened to In God We Trust and first applied to U.S. coins in 1864.

President Thomas Jefferson wrote, "The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time" and asked ‘Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are of God?’"

This can be debated all day because there is a lot of history and to say that our founding fathers did believe in one god is a assumption that I thing is a little bold. In this time frame Christianity in England was pretty big and these men and women came from this environment.

As for you statement about why have a revolution if you believe in god and just let him take care of it. This statement in my opinion is the biggest problem with alot of Non-believers. They believe that by believing in God he will GIVE you everything. If you are given the ability to be athletic its not 100% that you will be a sports star. You have to make the right choices in order to maximize that gift. God gives everyone free will and because of this that is why people can choose to believe or not believe. That is up to them. My point it God gives certain things to you but will not do everything for you. Its not a hand out.

Just like everyone here I have my belief and opinions. I try to keep them to myself for the most part because I do not want to offend anyone.
post #15 of 21
All tho I agree with most everything you posted this caught my eye. I think this statement is what is the major problem with christians in general. We don't want to offend anyone...well when you believe in something or you know something is right, it shouldn't matter if you offend anyone. I am offended all the time but that is fine. Me having my beliefs putts me in a position to be offended. But I will not sit back and let things go just because I might offend some one....any ways I'm sure this is on it's way to getting locked or deleted. just had to get my .02 in..
and for your reading plessures
Historical examples of this nation’s practice of acknowledging God of the Holy Bible in the every day affairs of men and The American Government:
• Christopher Columbus’ commission to sail westward to discover new continents and islands, “by God’s assistance”.
• The first colonial grant to Sir Walters Raleigh in 1584 authorizing him to erect statues of the government of the proposed colony provided that “they be not against the true Christian faith...”
• The first charter to Virginia granted in 1606, “...for the Furtherance of so, noble work...In propagating of Christian religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God...
• The Mayflower Compact which was “...undertaken for the glory of God and advancement of Christian Faith...”
• The Declaration of Independence wherein the people of the United States appealed to “Supreme Judge of the World”, acknowledges that the “Creator” endowed all men with certain unalienable rights;
• The prefatory words of all wills, “In the name of God, amen.”;
The Supreme Court ruled in 1892 that “this is a religious nation” [Citing Church of the Holy Trinity vs. United States, 143 U.S. 457]. It reiterated this holding more recently (1951), when it stated: “We are a Religious People whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being.” [Citing Zoredi vs. Clausen, 343 U.S. 306].

During the Presidency of Abraham Lincoln, the Congress passed the act of April 22, 1864 directing that the inscriptions “In God we Trust” be placed on our coins. This avowal of faith has been imprinted on billions and billions of coins during the last 90 years. This is a national motto, which also appears over the doorway of the United States Senate Chambers. It would therefore certainly be a very appropriate display of our American heritage in all government buildings and institutions nationwide.

There are virtually endless examples of God interwoven in our American history, so much so, it would be negligence of duty if such references were deleted or censored from our historical documents and our history. Rewriting the history of our country for individual special interest or convenience, would be like cutting the roots off a tree; it will die.
Perhaps this reflects part of our country’s problems today. A much higher percentage of the population is incarcerated today, than at any other time in the entire history of our country.

It is extremely disingenuous to censor our true American history in any way, for any reason whatsoever. A number of court cases clearly support foundation Christian displays in public buildings and properties, such as Lynch vs. Donnelly, 465 U.S. 668, 678 (1984), Anderson vs. Salt Lake City Corps., 475.2d29 (10th Cin. 1972) and State vs. Freedom from Religion Foundation, 898 p.2d 1013 (Colo. 1995) cert. Denied, 1165.et. 909 (1996), for example, all allowed the display of the Ten Commandments, (the foundation of America and British Law) if they are displayed together with other historic secular depicting items, such as the Magna Carte, The Bill Of Rights, The Declaration Of Independence and The Constitution, etc.,are clearly not a violation of the Establishment Clause.
post #16 of 21
Ummm... all these things predate the American Government.
Furthermore, Holy Trinity was NOT describing an official Christian America; it was describing a common America where most people were indeed Christian, and therefore helping to lay a groundwork for claiming a foreigner engaged in Christian ministry was, somehow, not a foreign laborer. This decision is one of the earliest examples of legislating from the bench. Think of it this way: Most Americans, in addition to liking Christianity, also like tidy lawns. Since many Mexican immigrants are ALSO Christian AND they take care of our lawns, should they therefore NOT be considered illegal aliens? The reasoning of Holy Trinity is beyond preposterous.

343 US 306 is ZORACH vs CLAUSON. Did you get your 'info' from another chain email?? Anyway, Zorach also is NOT referring to official institutions. See its reference to McCollum to understand... the institutions in question are NOT governmental, but private civil such as churches.
post #17 of 21
Refer to article II.....
post #18 of 21
this is so far from the truth it's pittiful. almost 88% of the founding fathers where Episcopalian/Anglican. I would like to see one creditable record of any of our founding fathers were diests. and for the under lined portion there is a verse in the bible that you may know that says "faith with out works is dead" it's in James. You obviously have something against "religion" so do I. But I am a ferm believer in god. I'm not trying to get things all in a up roar. But I believe what I believe. As you do. Any ways here is a link to back up some of my statments and to prove that we "america" was founded on a strong christian belief and it definitly had a part in our country and government. http://www.adherents.com/gov/Foundin..._Religion.html
Not even sure why this would be questioned facts are facts.

Far from what a christianity is :Deism is a religious and philosophical belief that a supreme being created the universe, and that this (and religious truth in general) can be determined using reason and observation of the natural world alone, without a need for either faith or organized religion. Deists tend to, but do not necessarily, reject the notion of divine interventions in human affairs, such as by miracles and revelations. These views contrast with a dependence on revelations, miracles, and faith found in many Judeo-Christian, Islamic and other theistic teachings.
post #19 of 21
I gotta say , I'm with GaryT on this one....And Kookie i know u didnt start the thread as a political thread... But they always seem to end up that way..Since we all know that we are allowed to have different opinions, it would be nice to see the political and religious points of view stay in their respective forums... At least to me it would...Too many times feelings get hurt and people bicker back and forth...Just my opinion and we all know what they say about them biggrin.gif
post #20 of 21
I agree. And I read Article II. biggrin.gif And nothing in this thread offended me. And I agree with Kookie's original post.

So there it is. Just reiterating what JaxGatorz said for what it's worth.

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