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( The Bathroom Remodel Part II )

This new adventure into the realm of my ongoing bathroom remodel actually began last Saturday evening, Feb 17.
While being snow bound from the storm that closed the Interstate for 3 days Rose and I were relaxing watching movies.
My lovely wife’s Keen sense of hearing detected the subtle sound of dripping water over the volume of the movie. Her chilling words of “We Have a Leak!†started me on an anxiety attack.
I asked her “Where do we have a leak?â€
She pointed to the living room ceiling, 4†from the molding and said “Right There!†I confidently told her that the roof couldn’t be leaking there because there was a bedroom or bathroom above us. As soon as the word ‘bathroom’ exited my lips, my anxiety attack went into a full blown panic attack.
I quickly motivated myself to our 2nd floor bathroom. I found the water trickling in the bathroom sink (to keep the water from freezing) and the cold water faucet stem slightly leaking. Upon further investigation I determined that the leaky stem wasn’t leaking onto the floor but the floor was wet in the area where the drain pipe entered the floor.
A little background regarding my bathroom…
Our bathroom was last remodeled in very 1970’s modern… I painted over the Avocado Green marlite and put a parquet floor over the Avocado Green and Yellow tile with a black tile molding. The sink was hanging on the wall and supported with 2 chrome legs with towel racks on the sides. The drain pipe assembly went from the trap to the floor where it was attached to the drain pipe into the floor with a 4†piece of hose kept in place with hose clamps…AKA
“Jury Riggedâ€.
I found where my leak problem was. It seems that the 2†piece of drain pipe sticking up from the floor was rotted under the hose. Upon further investigation I determined that the pipe was rotted Flush with the floor. I realized that a quick and easy solution to my bathroom problem was nothing but a fond wish.
Since the leak was close to the wall separating the middle room and my kitchen I attempted to access the plumbing thru the kitchen drop ceiling.
I found another pleasant surprise was in store for me.

While attempting to get to the bathroom plumbing I found that there were not 1 but 2 separate block ceilings in place above the drop ceiling. Both block ceilings were framed with 1â€x3â€s.
Needless to say access to the rotted drain pipe was not going to be quick OR easy OR thru the kitchen ceiling. Since by this time it was almost midnight I figured that the situation was not getting addressed till Sunday when Home Depot opened. I declared the Bathroom sink was closed till further notice and my loving wife and I finished watching the movie.
You must understand that I was NOT able to leisurely watch the rest of the movie in peace. I had to field numerous questions from my Loving Life Partner regarding HOW was I going to fix the bathroom situation.
After listening to her many ideas and suggestions into how I should fix the problem; I explained that with my vast experience in plumbing matters (Butch’s Plumbing Knowledge= ZERO) and Home Depot’s Vast Array of plumbing parts, pipes, Teflon tape, gizmos, Duct Tape and Epoxy glue; I would have the matter well in hand and everything would be fine.
The only plumbing tools I possessed at this time consisted of one (1) pair of Channel Lock Pliers and one (1) used roll of Teflon Tape (I’m not sure Where the Teflon tape is BUT I know I got some somewhere).
Rose believed me and let me watch the rest of the movie in peace. I contemplated reminding my wife of that part of the marriage vows that stated something about “Sticking Together during Good Times and Badâ€. I decided not to bring it up.

Sunday, Feb. 18 was a bright, sunny, crisp, cold day. After a quick cup of java I headed off to Home Depot; full of confidence, energy, and a naïve belief that I could fix this problem quickly and easily. I was also armed with my never used Home Depot card with a 3k limit. My Loving Life Partner Rose accompanied me to my newest, favorite place.
I explained to her that I felt it was time to replace the bathroom sink with a vanity setup we previously looked at and I felt that we would buy the stuff for the new vanity today and install it next weekend. I also told her I’d get the stuff to fix the drain pipe and fix that problem.
Confidence Was High.

I went to the plumbing section of HD and inquired of the HD plumbing person as to how could I fix my rotted drain pipe problem Without Ripping up the bathroom floor. After some discussion and some trying of different plumbing parts A 12†long 1 ¼†plastic pipe which reduced to the inside diameter of the 1 ¼†pipe still in the floor was purchased along with a new hose connector complete with hose clamps. Rose and I then went for the vanity setup. I got the vanity setup onto the cart and asked my loving wife Rose to pick out which faucet fixtures she’d like for the new sink.
Rose perused the many different styles of faucet fixtures at Home Depot and pointed out a very stunning bathroom faucet fixture that she felt she wanted.
It was beautiful; it was a MOEN brand and the price of it was almost equal to the gross national product output of Canada.
I vetoed her choice while pointing out to her that I paid less for my work car and I’d like her to choose something priced less than I paid for the vanity set up.
Her second choice was very functional, stylish and priced well within my budget.
We went thru the check out, I swiped my card, signed the slip and headed home still imbibed with the confidence of the up coming Simple drain pipe fix.
Ignorance Is Bliss!

We arrived home and I unloaded everything into the front room. Up to the bathroom I went armed with the stuff to fix my drain pipe.
I stick the 12†plastic pipe into the drain pipe, it is a Snug fit…I stop and run down to the basement for my rubber mallet to tap it down…I walk back up the 2 flights of steps with the mallet and Carefully tap the pipe into the drainpipe. I attempt to fit the gooseneck pipe to the new piece I inserted into the rotten drain pipe and I realize that the 12†plastic pipe I bought is about 5†too long. I attempt to Un snug the plastic pipe and I find that snugging the pipe in is Much easier than UN SNUGGING it. After a few choice words, a quickly offered prayer to the Plumbing Gods and some maneuvering with the channel locks I got the pipe free. I Eyeball the amount needed to be cut off (I used my Good eye) and ran down the 2 flights of steps to the basement where I cut off the excess with my scroll saw and walked back up the steps to the bathroom and again snugged the pipe into place.

As I again attempted to fit the gooseneck pipe into place I realized that I cut off a little too much and the trap wasn’t going to fit.
At this point I must admit that I did take the Son of God’s name in vain and I roundly cursed the Plumbing gods as I heard them laughing their *** off.
I then headed back to Home Depot for a replacement pipe.
I purchased the pipe and went thru the same check out as I did before. The girl recognized me and inquired why I was back again. I cheerfully relayed to her the story of my stupidity.

Back home I go with a shorter piece of the pipe I needed. Up to the bathroom and again I snug the pipe in place. I attach the gooseneck pipe with the hose connector, tighten the hose clamps and start attaching the trap to complete the project. I got the trap screwed on and let the water fly!
The trap was leaking where it screwed onto the gooseneck pipe. I grabbed my channel locks and tightened the fitting.
As I was tightening the fitting I heard a discernable cracking sound and water flowed onto the floor.
At this point the words exiting my mouth were assuring my place in Hell if I were to die shortly. My loving Life Partner asked what happened. I answered that I broke the trap and had to return to Home Depot.
Rose sweetly asked me if I tightened something too much. I glared at her, shook my head yes and contemplated what the penalty was for assaulting your wife with a broken plumbing trap was.

Hastily back to HD I go since it was close to 6pm and I figured they were closing soon. I made it, ran in, got the new trap and went to the same check out as before…the girl looked at me and before she could open her mouth I said “Don’t Ask!â€
I arrived home, ignored my smiling wife and CAREFULLY realigned the gooseneck pipe and attached the trap after using the Teflon tape I found…I offered up a prayer of forgiveness and turned on the water. It didn’t leak!!!

I was SO looking forward to the upcoming new sink installment that I was getting sick in the stomach.
I contemplated paying a plumber to do it.

Part II in next thread...
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Part II

The bathroom remodel... final part

After a week of scoping out the situation and Actually Reading the directions for the faucets and sink set up; I was back to being filled with naïve confidence and felt sure the project would actually go smoothly.

I had to buy some plumbing type tools for the job i.e. a pipe wrench and a tubing cutter. I also needed braided water lines and I figured to go whole hog and put shut off valves in too.

I arrived at Home Depot around 10am.and bought the stuff I needed. I got back and proceeded to set out removing the sink. I took off my trap assembly and told Rose that I was approaching the point of NO return as I was starting to cut the water lines…Yes, I did shut the water off and drain down the lines. I kept turning and tightening the tubing cutter for what seemed like forever and finally cut thru the cold water line. I attacked the hot water line and again after much turning etc. had it cut too.
I actually got the old sink off of the wall with minimal trouble and I was feeling good with my progress.
I unscrewed a piece of the water pipe from the sink to take with me to HD to get the stuff needed to put the new faucets in. I also saw Why it was so hard to cut thru the waterlines. The water lines were 3/8†Brass.
I went back to HD and showed the friendly HD worker what I was working with and I explained what I was hooking up and I asked what kind of compression fittings I’d need.
The man smiled and explained that I couldn’t use compression fittings and that I’d need to thread the pipe I cut.
I asked him how much a die set up would be for the threading I’d have to do…He didn’t have the size I needed and the price of the other ones told me I wasn’t buying a tap and die set to thread any plumbing pipe.
I figured that I was about ready to call my local plumber/stoker repair man and pay $$$.

I then remembered that my water lines were threaded into connections that stuck up out of the floor.
I explained to the HD man that I would need 2 pieces of 3/8†pipe 12†long threaded at both ends…did he have the pipe I needed.

The only 3/8†galvanized threaded pipe HD carried were 6†pieces so I bought four 6†pieces along with 2 connectors, 2 shut off valves and a NEW roll of Teflon Tape.
I then did some mental calculations regarding the height of the vanity and using my mental eye I figured I’d need two 16†braided water lines. (I used my Good mental Eye)
Armed with the stuff I bought and the advice from the HD man regarding unscrewing the old water lines, I exited Home Depot full of confidence, I was expecting to be admiring my newly installed bathroom sink within 2 hours.

Little did I realize that I’d have a better chance of seeing PEACE in the Middle East than I would in getting this project done in 2 hours.

Armed with my new pipe wrench I attempted to unscrew the cold water line…I put the channel locks on the floor fitting and tried the pipe wrench on the water line…Everything turned…NOT GOOD.
I reversed the proceedings with the wrenches and tried it with the pipe wrench on the floor fitting…I realized that I needed 3 hands to do this procedure.
Seeing as God did not provide me with the necessary number of appendages needed to complete this task, I asked my wife for some help.
I told Rose to put the pipe wrench onto the fitting on the floor and I would use 2 hands on the channel locks to remove the water line.
After numerous attempts at this I realized that Rose’s knowledge of how to use a pipe wrench equaled or surpassed my knowledge of how to use her sewing machine. I thanked her for her assistance and tried to figure a Plan B option.
After 10 minutes of mentally attacking the problem along with talking to my self and answering myself I put the pipe wrench firmly onto the floor fitting kneeled on the pipe wrench and did the channel lock thing to the water line…IT MOVED!!! I got the cold water line unscrewed without breaking anything or damaging the threads. I then used the same procedure on the hot water line and it unscrewed with ease.
Things were actually looking good.
I assembled the faucets to the sink top and installed the drain assembly according to instructions AND I used plumbers putty too. 

I assembled the 3/8†pipes with the couplers, using plenty of Teflon tape everywhere, tightened everything and screwed them into the waterline fittings at floor level. This project was proceeding along slicker than baby oil on linoleum.  Don’t Ask! 

Using my vast knowledge of woodworking and superior measuring skills I determined what size hole to cut in the bottom of the vanity to accommodate the drain pipe and water lines rising out of my bathroom floor. Instead cutting 3 holes I opted for cutting a rectangular opening; taking the easier way out. I measured it, marked it and went at it with the jig saw.

I bring the vanity upstairs and I positioned it over the waterlines/drainpipe setup…It fit perfectly.  

I then attached the shut off valves, again using liberal amounts of Teflon tape and tightened.
I positioned the sink top on the vanity and inspected my progress. Something didn’t look right!!!
It seems that the 16†waterlines I bought were about a ½†too short to reach the 3/8†threaded pipe waterlines. While not the end of the world, I was getting a little road weary traveling back and forth to Home Depot.
I went on my final trip to the HD store and exchanged the 16â€ers for two 20†water lines and returned to my humble abode.
I again attached the water lines to the faucet assembly and positioned the sink top onto the vanity. I CAREFULLY assembled the drain pipe/trap set up and tightened the braided waterlines onto the shut off valves.
With bones creaking and hurting I slowly rose off of the floor and informed my wife of 6 years that The project was complete and it was now time to turn the water back on.
I asked her to run to the top of the steps and shout loudly IF she saw anything leaking when I turned the water on in the basement.
As I descended into my basement I was again offering up a prayer to the plumber gods.
I went over to the water shutoff valve and opened it up.
As the water surged thru the lines I was expecting to hear my wife’s frantic shouting…Absolute Silence!!!

Armed with a flash light I inspected all of the fittings and I filled the sink with water.
Offering thanks to the person who invented Teflon Tape I saw that none of the waterline fittings were leaking.
I did find a small, minor drip coming from the drain assembly and I carefully tightened the plastic nut.
No Cracking sounds and the minor leak stopped.

Everything was good and as an added bonus…The new sink/vanity covered more wall area than the old sink did so I didn’t have to touch up anything.
The NEXT Project is the refinishing of the bathtub with epoxy paint. When the warmer weather arrives I will tackle that project.
…I fully expect to be either hospitalized from the fumes or ending up with a White bathroom floor after I spill the paint Or Both.
post #3 of 6
Good stuff!!
post #4 of 6
PDT_Armataz_01_37.gifI'm sorry , I;m still LOL , yep been there , done that PDT_Armataz_01_18.gif
post #5 of 6
i'm glad i'm not the only one............

happy it worked out for you
post #6 of 6

sounds familiar

Great story but it sounds more like my biograghy
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