MES 40 dead on arrival

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heavishot

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May 29, 2017
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I bought a never been used MES 40" Bluetooth smoker from a guy down the street. His story was he bought it several months ago for a built-in outdoor kitchen but it is too big for the space. It's technically used but has clearly never had a wisp of smoke in it.

I was going to put it to work this weekend but it is not heating at all. I replaced the high temperature sensor even though the original one tests fine. When the unit shows "heating" it tests no voltage at the wires that connect to the heating element. Am I right in thinking that it should show 120v?

I'm guessing Masterbuilt won't do anything for me since I bought it second hand.
 
See If the guy still has a receipt for it... If not just call/email (with pics) MB and explain the deal to them.. they should help ya out ... The worst they can say is sorry... but no ... they might tell ya what to look for ...
 
I bought a never been used MES 40" Bluetooth smoker from a guy down the street. His story was he bought it several months ago for a built-in outdoor kitchen but it is too big for the space. It's technically used but has clearly never had a wisp of smoke in it.

I was going to put it to work this weekend but it is not heating at all. I replaced the high temperature sensor even though the original one tests fine. When the unit shows "heating" it tests no voltage at the wires that connect to the heating element. Am I right in thinking that it should show 120v?

I'm guessing Masterbuilt won't do anything for me since I bought it second hand.
There's at least a half dozen guys on here that can help you with the electrical tests on that MES. I'm not one of them.

I'm sure one or more will show up soon & help you out.

If you can't get it going then, like Jack said, Give Masterbuilt a call---They're pretty good with their CS.

Bear
 
If it's never been smoked in, it is still new.  Ask him if he registered the serial number with Masterbuilt and find out where he bought it (bonus would be if he had the receipt still). If not, you should be able to call them as the original owner as it's still "new" as in unused and you can prove with photos of the condition (and box?). They have excellent customer service and unless it's an outdated model that is not still available at retail, I bet they will cover it.  It would be sort of like one purchased on day x as a gift and not opened and plugged in until day y.

Plan "B" is troubleshoot it on here. Sounds like you have power to the unit, just no power to the elements.  First thing I would look at is the thermal limit snap switch if all the internal connections to the element are good.  I would call them about warranty before opening the unit up though.  It's voided once you open the back panels (unless it is at their direction).
 
I bought a never been used MES 40" Bluetooth smoker from a guy down the street. His story was he bought it several months ago for a built-in outdoor kitchen but it is too big for the space. It's technically used but has clearly never had a wisp of smoke in it.

I was going to put it to work this weekend but it is not heating at all. I replaced the high temperature sensor even though the original one tests fine. When the unit shows "heating" it tests no voltage at the wires that connect to the heating element. Am I right in thinking that it should show 120v?

I'm guessing Masterbuilt won't do anything for me since I bought it second hand.
 
If it's never been smoked in, it is still new.  Ask him if he registered the serial number with Masterbuilt and find out where he bought it (bonus would be if he had the receipt still). If not, you should be able to call them as the original owner as it's still "new" as in unused and you can prove with photos of the condition (and box?). They have excellent customer service and unless it's an outdated model that is not still available at retail, I bet they will cover it.  It would be sort of like one purchased on day x as a gift and not opened and plugged in until day y.

Plan "B" is troubleshoot it on here. Sounds like you have power to the unit, just no power to the elements.  First thing I would look at is the thermal limit snap switch if all the internal connections to the element are good.  I would call them about warranty before opening the unit up though.  It's voided once you open the back panels (unless it is at their direction).
dward51 has provided great advice.  Once you speak with masterbuilt you can check out the following thread to see how a member basically did a full troubleshoot like you will likely end up doing.  It is great info!

http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/261224/new-element-not-heating-any-at-all-now
 
Talked to Masterbuilt today.  Since I got it second hand there's no warranty but they are shipping a new heating element and control panel at a reasonable price.  Fingers crossed that does the trick!
 
 
Talked to Masterbuilt today.  Since I got it second hand there's no warranty but they are shipping a new heating element and control panel at a reasonable price.  Fingers crossed that does the trick!
That's Great!

Those are two of the main things that could be the problem. If not it would more than likely be something in the wiring that these wiring guys could help you with.

Bear
 
 
Talked to Masterbuilt today.  Since I got it second hand there's no warranty but they are shipping a new heating element and control panel at a reasonable price.  Fingers crossed that does the trick!
I hope that does the job for ya.  I would recommend you swap the controller first and if that doesn't do the trick then you may as well pull the back off and pull out the multimeter to find the issue in the wiring and such BEFORE you go through the effort of swapping the heating element.  Swapping the heating element before identifying the problem area is just more work.

In any case you will have extra parts lying around to ensure you can repair your smoker in the future!
 
Element is likely good.  They rarely fail internally as it's just basically a wire in a outside housing that get's hot when electricity flows through it (resistive heating element).  Since the board was lighting up but the element was not coming on, it will either be the relay on the board, the snap switch (high limit safety switch) or a loose connection.

If you have any confidence in your ability to use a volt/ohm meter, I would trouble shoot some before I pulled any part out.  There are a couple of ways to do this, but with the power off is best for safety reason.

If you open the back plate over the heating element terminals, first thing to test is the heating element.  First look at the two connections to the heating element.  Since the MES is new they should look new, and the wiring should be new looking and not charred.  Assuming the wire and connections look good Set the meter to ohms at a low range.  Pull one of the connectors off the heating element and leave it off for now. You are looking for about 10 or 11 ohms resistance from a good 1,200 watt MES element.  POWER TO SMOKER IS OFF WHEN YOU DO THIS AND IT IS UNPLUGGED.  Measure the resistance across the two heating element terminals and look for something in the 10 to 11 ohm range.  If you do, the element is good and you can move on to the high limit snap switch next (it's higher up on the back of the MES body, follow the wires, one should go to that switch).  Leaving that one connection to the heating element undone, check across the two terminals of the snap switch.  You should see 0 (zero) ohms as if it's good, it is acting as a piece of wire.  If you see anything other than zero, it's bad (you can use the continuity setting on the meter to check this for "beep" as well).

If the heating element and snap switch are both good, it is likely the relay on the control board or one of the other components on the control board.  But before you replace the board, check all the connections to that board as one may have been poorly connected at the factory and vibrated loose in shipping.  Again with THE POWER OFF AND SMOKER UNPLUGGED, you can pull and re-seat those connectors to make sure they are solidly connected (if they feel solid when you try to pull them off, you can leave them connected).  If any of them are easy to slide off the terminal, crimp the sides a little tighter with some pliers and reconnect them.  If you find any loose connections, after tightening them, I would try a power on test to see if that fixed the problem before pulling parts out (don't forget to reconnect that terminal on the heating element that we took off to test with the ohm meter).

Assuming everything is good to that point and still no heat at the element, Kill the power/unplug the smoker and swap the control board and then give it a try.  It's basically a process of elimination and tracing the circuits until you find the culprit.  If you are tech inclined and had the right tools, there is no reason someone could not trouble shoot the relay and other components on the main board, but since you already have a new board ordered, I would just swap it out if you get to that point.

Just remember you are going to be working with wires and connections that carry household voltages which can be deadly - MAKE 200% SURE THE SMOKER IS UNPLUGGED WHEN YOU DO ANY TROUBLESHOOTING INSIDE OF THE SMOKER.

One thing I would say is since you bought it new from someone who was planning on wiring it into an outdoor kitchen, I wonder if he did not wire it wrong (if he tried to install it).  If it was new in a sealed box, this would not apply, but if it was plugged into an outlet that was wired wrong that could be where the problem started.  If you find any burned terminals, that is probably what happened.
 
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The thing that used to go bad the most often was the little "Flag" connectors to the heating element, in the back of the smoker, but that usually took a year or 2 to go bad.

It doesn't seem to happen much with the newer models.

Hopefully the new controller will do it.

Bear
 
Thanks for all the help!  Masterbuilt shipped the replacement parts quickly and I got them today.  I first replaced the controller and that did the trick!  It's working like a charm and heating it's way through the 3 hour seasoning session as we speak!  I may have to throw a brisket in there tonight.
 
 
Thanks for all the help!  Masterbuilt shipped the replacement parts quickly and I got them today.  I first replaced the controller and that did the trick!  It's working like a charm and heating it's way through the 3 hour seasoning session as we speak!  I may have to throw a brisket in there tonight.
That is awesome to hear!  I'm glad it has worked out.  Now do a search on AMNPS (A-Maze-N Pellet Smoker) and you can get the wheels a spinning on whether or not you would like to go that route for 9-12 hours of perfect smoke completely unattended! :D
 
Actually I'm using a AMNPS for the first time tonight. It's taken some research and trial and error but I seem to have it dialed in. At first I put it on the floor right in the center but heat from the element was smoking the last row (tons of smoke!). Now I've got it a couple inches of center left, chip tray barely open, the damper fully open, and a little water in the pan.

I've babysat it a lot tonight. Next time I'll feel better about letting it ride by itself.
 
On a MES Bluetooth Bear has found it works better on the bottom rack and all the way to the right. I have only used mine once but it worked great in the spot.
 
 
Thanks for all the help!  Masterbuilt shipped the replacement parts quickly and I got them today.  I first replaced the controller and that did the trick!  It's working like a charm and heating it's way through the 3 hour seasoning session as we speak!  I may have to throw a brisket in there tonight.
That's Great---I was hoping it would be the controller. 
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Bear
 
Actually I'm using a AMNPS for the first time tonight. It's taken some research and trial and error but I seem to have it dialed in. At first I put it on the floor right in the center but heat from the element was smoking the last row (tons of smoke!). Now I've got it a couple inches of center left, chip tray barely open, the damper fully open, and a little water in the pan.

I've babysat it a lot tonight. Next time I'll feel better about letting it ride by itself.
U are there man, congrats! :)
 
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