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post #21 of 30
No used it 4 or 5 times it was bad from the factory but the new element has done real well
post #22 of 30
I also did away with all master build wiring and controls and started using a pid. I was going to do that anyway.
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Edited by gmnut3518 - 4/4/16 at 10:22pm
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post #25 of 30

Gmnut3519 your last 2 posts are VERY WRONG and DANGEROUS

 

 

1 A GFIC works by measuring the current flowing on the black and white wires when a differential of more than a few milliamps is detected the device interrupts the flow of current. In theory the GFIC does not care if there is 5 amps of 50 amps flowing thru it only that the same amount of current is flowing on both wires. Some of the early GFICs had problems with motors not so much anymore.

 

http://ecmweb.com/content/how-gfcis-work

 

I would never operate an MES on any circuit that does not have a know good ground and a working GFIC. There are dozens of threads with photos of MESs that failed in dangerous ways. I think it is only a matter of time before someone is killed by an MES on a ungrounded circuit without a GFIC.

 

The circuit breaker in the panel is designed to protect the wire and prevent fires, not devices or people.

 

The ground circuit is there to protect people but it is far from fail safe.

 

Spas and hot tubes often pull 60 amps thru their GFCI

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by gmnut3518 View Post
 

 if the smoker shorted out to the point the main body became electrically charged the breaker would trip in the breaker panel.

This statement is only true when a good ground is present. Sadly many older homes never had grounded circuits. Other times the grounds were never connected. All too often the ground plug on the device or an extension cord is missing. 

 

 

Walta

post #26 of 30

I will admit when I'm wrong . apparently I don't know as much about alternating current as I thought I did. I wasn't thinking about an ungrounded outlet or cord missing the ground prong, in that case the appliance body could be electrified without tripping the breaker.


Edited by gmnut3518 - 4/4/16 at 10:58pm
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Edited by gmnut3518 - 4/4/16 at 10:32pm
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please read up on how alternating current works, alternating current doesn't come in one wire and go out the other. that's how direct current works. alternating current goes back and forth on the same wire. 3 wires come from the transformer on the power pole to the meter. 2 insulated carry 120 volts each the non insulated wire is a ground.  three wires come from the meter to the breaker panel, again 2 carry 120 volts and one is a ground. the 2 wires that carry 120 volts connect to the main breaker the main breaker supplies power to the circuit breakers thru L1 and L2 ( bar where the circuit breakers mount) the wire that goes from the breaker panel to the outlet consists of 3 wires one black one white and one bare wire. the black wire is used as the hot wire and connects to the circuit breaker. the white wire and bare wires both connect to the ground /neutral block in the breaker panel, ground/ neutral block is connected to a ground rod that is driven into the earth creating an earth ground. the whit or neutral wire. the neural wire creates an area of low electrical pressure allowing neutrons to flow. there should be no electrical current on the neural wire in a 120 volt circuit. if there were it would energize the ground wires and the earth around the ground rod. in 240 volt circuits the white and black wires carry 120 volts each from L1 and L2  making 240 volts in a 3 wire 240 volt circuit the ground wire creates low pressure allowing neutrons to flow. does this sound right Walta  or is it still very dangerous. if so please explain why the earth and ground wires aren't energized by the neutral wire that you claim carries 120 volts back to the breaker panel

post #29 of 30
Thread Starter 

I forgot about this thread. I started another thread a while ago after this one on the same problem. Anyway, MB sent me a new element (FREE) and I replaced it, every think work Great Again.

post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gmnut3518 View Post
 

please read up on how alternating current works, alternating current doesn't come in one wire and go out the other. that's how direct current works. alternating current goes back and forth on the same wire. 3 wires come from the transformer on the power pole to the meter. 2 insulated carry 120 volts each the non insulated wire is a ground.  three wires come from the meter to the breaker panel, again 2 carry 120 volts and one is a ground. the 2 wires that carry 120 volts connect to the main breaker the main breaker supplies power to the circuit breakers thru L1 and L2 ( bar where the circuit breakers mount) the wire that goes from the breaker panel to the outlet consists of 3 wires one black one white and one bare wire. the black wire is used as the hot wire and connects to the circuit breaker. the white wire and bare wires both connect to the ground /neutral block in the breaker panel, ground/ neutral block is connected to a ground rod that is driven into the earth creating an earth ground. the whit or neutral wire. the neural wire creates an area of low electrical pressure allowing neutrons to flow. there should be no electrical current on the neural wire in a 120 volt circuit. if there were it would energize the ground wires and the earth around the ground rod. in 240 volt circuits the white and black wires carry 120 volts each from L1 and L2  making 240 volts in a 3 wire 240 volt circuit the ground wire creates low pressure allowing neutrons to flow. does this sound right Walta  or is it still very dangerous. if so please explain why the earth and ground wires aren't energized by the neutral wire that you claim carries 120 volts back to the breaker panel


IMHO  I really think the problem is in the material they use for the element. The heating element is what is breaking down.

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