What's on your Smoke-mas list this year?

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dukeburger

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I know, I know, It's not even Thanksgiving yet, but I'm Canadian and that was done long ago. So what's on your Christmas list or what gadgets and /or equipment do you want from Santa Smoke this year?

I'll go first: Thermowand instant read, an AMNPS, a dehydrator, and a grinder/sausage stuffer.

Just a heads up; I will not be mailing your lists.

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Also need some new Maverick probes. One of mine is on the fritz and reads "LLL" if the braided wire is in a certain position
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Also need some new Maverick probes. One of mine is on the fritz and reads "LLL" if the braided wire is in a certain position :head-wall:


When replacing probes... step up to the "Hybrid Probes" (if haven't already) .. they can be used for food or cook chamber.. they are straight and waterproof... they fit ether the ET-732 or 733 ...
 
I have the hybrid probes that were included. I always had one designated as a cook chamber probe though.

I'm on the fence whether or not to just purchase another unit for what the probes will cost me
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It might not be for Christmas (maybe daddy-day), but I might be itching for a pit temp controller for the WSM. The PID set-up from Auber Instruments looked the most appealing to me...designed by industrial instrumentation engineers...yeah, I think it would stand up to my occasional accidental abuse better than most. 12VDC input for remote use away from power outlets, offering portability without using flashlight batteries...nice touch with that feature. I'll take the TC-K3MM-C 900* probe option, and 6.5 cfm blower, if you please.

Thing is, unless I plan on overnight smokes in the near future, which I'm currently not, I really won't have the need for it because the WSM seems to cruise along pretty well on it's own, as it should. Also, I'm inclined to think that with a blower and a single inlet, the fire would be burning across from the blower-side to the opposite side, instead of from the center, as the fire ring is directly beside (level with) the inlets, instead of the inlets being under the fire grate. So, maybe my wish-list could be revised to omit the PID and include something on the lines of another pair of meat probes and one more pit probe so I can monitor both grate temps in the WSM, or for multiple cookers...hmm, yeah, that sounds much more useful to me. BTW, I'm not big on the idea of multiple probes connected to a single instrument...much more to loose if something fails or breaks, then you're pretty much obligated to buy replacement parts to recover your initial investment...just me. I'd rather have 3 probe heads sitting near the smoker than a single head with multiple probes and have it all go dead in a flash when something goes awry. Time to start digging through the dirt to reveal the jewels of my dreams...'cuz I'm just not sure what I want...kinda sux, but when you have most everything you could possibly need, to have a want/wish list is tough to think about...LOL!!!

Good thread to expose the inner smoker in ourselves, DB. Got me really thinking again, after grabbing the WSM 18, that maybe there are some hidden possibilities that I have not yet considered??? I like it!!!

Eric
 
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It might not be for Christmas (maybe daddy-day), but I might be itching for a pit temp controller for the WSM. The PID set-up from Auber Instruments looked the most appealing to me...designed by industrial instrumentation engineers...yeah, I think it would stand up to my occasional accidental abuse better than most. 12VDC input for remote use away from power outlets, offering portability without using flashlight batteries...nice touch with that feature. I'll take the TC-K3MM-C 900* probe option, and 6.5 cfm blower, if you please.

Thing is, unless I plan on overnight smokes in the near future, which I'm currently not, I really won't have the need for it because the WSM seems to cruise along pretty well on it's own, as it should. Also, I'm inclined to think that with a blower and a single inlet, the fire would be burning across from the blower-side to the opposite side, instead of from the center, as the fire ring is directly beside (level with) the inlets, instead of the inlets being under the fire grate. So, maybe my wish-list could be revised to omit the PID and include something on the lines of another pair of meat probes and one more pit probe so I can monitor both grate temps in the WSM, or for multiple cookers...hmm, yeah, that sounds much more useful to me. BTW, I'm not big on the idea of multiple probes connected to a single instrument...much more to loose if something fails or breaks, then you're pretty much obligated to buy replacement parts to recover your initial investment...just me. I'd rather have 3 probe heads sitting near the smoker than a single head with multiple probes and have it all go dead in a flash when something goes awry. Time to start digging through the dirt to reveal the jewels of my dreams...'cuz I'm just not sure what I want...kinda sux, but when you have most everything you could possibly need, to have a want/wish list is tough to think about...LOL!!!

Good thread to expose the inner smoker in ourselves, DB. Got me really thinking again, after grabbing the WSM 18, that maybe there are some hidden possibilities that I have not yet considered??? I like it!!!

Eric
I was looking into the pit-temp controllers a while back, but I kind of like tending to my pit so I decided against it. After all, if i wanted to set it and forget it I'd have gone down a different road.

I wonder if a pallet of KBB would fit under my tree...
 
I was looking into the pit-temp controllers a while back, but I kind of like tending to my pit so I decided against it. After all, if i wanted to set it and forget it I'd have gone down a different road.

I wonder if a pallet of KBB would fit under my tree...
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Good point about the controllers...kind of my thoughts, too...only with the WSM, the only time any adjustments are really needed after dialing-in stable target temps is if there's a drastic change in ambient conditions...not much tending is needed.

Eric
 
Well, I just pulled the trigger on a second MAV733 unit and a Thermowand instant read.

Just did some chicken drums and that buggered up probe didn't read anything other than "LLL" the entire time. I've learned my lesson about removing my probe by pulling on the wire I guess.
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The extra unit will come in handy though along with the Thermowand. They should be in just in time for my brisket smoke next weekend.
 
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Well, I just pulled the trigger on a second MAV733 unit and a Thermowand instant read.

Just did some chicken drums and that buggered up probe didn't read anything other than "LLL" the entire time. I've learned my lesson about removing my probe by pulling on the wire I guess.
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The extra unit will come in handy though along with the Thermowand. They should be in just in time for my brisket smoke next weekend.
Uh-oh, this is getting serious, my friend. You did order a spare probe to replacement the dead one, right? I know, I know...but, trust me, I've done stranger things than not order spare parts when needed and available...some days just seem like they weren't meant for me to be on this planet, and my mind probably wasn't...LOL!!!

Brisky smoke, you say? Nice way to spend the weekend with some new toys...er, umm, tools...yeah!

Eric
 
 
Uh-oh, this is getting serious, my friend. You did order a spare probe to replacement the dead one, right? I know, I know...but, trust me, I've done stranger things than not order spare parts when needed and available...some days just seem like they weren't meant for me to be on this planet, and my mind probably wasn't...LOL!!!

Brisky smoke, you say? Nice way to spend the weekend with some new toys...er, umm, tools...yeah!

Eric
I opted to get the second unit which includes two hybrid probes. So I will only have 3 working probes between the two units. WIll be nice to monitor the Big Chief while I have a butt or brisket in the WSM
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Going to see if I can fix the messed up probe before replacing. It works in a certain spot, and I have some time on my hands.

I was going to purchase the 6-foot probes, but I couldn't comprehend the price when I can buy the entire unit with the probes for a bit more dough.

One thing I am really looking forward to is the Thermowand. Will make checking chicken wings and drums a breeze. Even checking different spots of a brisket in a timely manner is a luxury I've been living without.

This will be all I purchase before the new year....and I mean it this time!!
 
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Ah, good on you, DB. I used to have everything I needed to do cable repairs and even moderate amounts of circuit board testing and repairs (individual component replacement). De-soldering tools, parts holders and lighted magnifying glass on stands, anti-static discharge pads and gloves...the works. But that was back when I was handling safety related industrial instrumentation (hand-held gas detectors, fixed gas and fire detection systems)...oh, those were the days...if it needed calibration or didn't work, I could make it operable again...turned into a 40hr/wk job within the first 2 weeks, I was that busy. Now, I'm out of that game and I just don't run into those kinds of problems very often, plus, most electronic devices these days (even some I maintained back then) utilize compact components, so small they cannot be replaced with bare hands. I'm sure there's better maintenance tools available if you have a good source. Replacement parts are cheaper, and of course less time-consuming, than for me to have all the tools and supplies in my personal arsenal...but that's me...not to say guys shouldn't attempt these repairs...by all means, do. It seems like it's becoming a dying art.

Yeah, a pinched cable conductor shouldn't be that difficult to locate and splice...toss on some heat-shrink tubing over the repairs and case...good to go again...that's the easy stuff. Braided cable assemblies may offer a bit more of a challenge in terms of maintaining water-resistance. As long as the defect is not too close to, or inside of, the connector plug or probe...that complicates things a bit if you can't open the plug or probe without destroying it. Although there are a few tricks that can be used if it's a plastic assembly...carefully split it down the center with a very sharp blade, repair and glue back together with gorilla glue, super-glue, etc. But then, you probably know most all of this. If you do happen to run into a tight spot and need an idea how to proceed, drop me a line...2 minds are better than one. Hmm, there's probably quite a few fellas on SMF that do electronics repairs and are more current on today's technologies than myself...just gotta find 'em.

Good luck on the fix, and enjoy the new toys!!!

Eric
 
Of course the first step to any repair is figuring out what the heck is wrong!!
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I'll poke around with it once my new goodies arrive. I'd rather have a somewhat working probe until then.
 
 
Of course the first step to any repair is figuring out what the heck is wrong!!
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I'll poke around with it once my new goodies arrive. I'd rather have a somewhat working probe until then.
Yeah, that is not always easy to find the cause of cable assembly failures. It's  best to start with the simplest, most obvious checks as a troubleshooting method. So, are you ready for this? I'll walk you through what I would do, based on my previous experience with a barrage of different types of gear and problems.

Start by gently cleaning the cable assembly of residual smoke, food residue/grease, etc, with warm, soapy water (without wetting the cable pass-through areas at the plug and probe, of course)...you need to see the cable to find the obvious signs of damage, as that's the easiest to search for and these are tell-tale signs of like failures. Pat off all water, or air dry. Carefully inspect the cable length for kinks or tight twists, cuts or any other obvious signs of possible internal damage caused by mechanical forces (such as from cooker doors or lids closed on cable). Note any suspect areas...you may mark them with a permanent marker for easier location/identification later. Plug the cable into the device, power up and start to slowly work from one end to other, gently twist and bend the cable in all directions (not too tight on bends) while observing the device for changes in readings on the display. If you observe a change in readings, work that area of the cable a little more vigorously to verify the exact location. Mark on both ends of the suspected area of cable damage...this is likely a failed area...there may be more than one. DO NOT bend near the probe or plug unless you find that nothing changes while inspecting the cable length...you may cause undue damage, as these are areas where strain reliefs are typically used to prevent kinks and bends (mechanical damage).

If the above method fails to reveal the location of the fault, dig out your analog or digital meter and test resistance of each conductor while doing the same as previously described...if resistance checks indicate no open circuits (has resistance) it is likely that you have a damaged receptacle on the device or a failed sensor....more on that shortly. If no open circuit is indicated, apply heat to the probe while testing for resistance. If the resistance does not change, your probe sensor is likely the faulty component, but no guarantees on that...pretty much a screwed unit at that point, unless you're REALLY handy (and patient) and can locate a component parts source for a new sensor that matches the resistance range and temperature range of your original temp sensor. This requires you to know all of that info before you try to order a new sensor, and this info is probably not readable even with a magnifying glass on the device, if it's even printed on it. A part number may be all you might find...then it's a game of finding the component manufacturer and finding the specs to determine what replacement component will be suitable if the original cannot be purchased. Resistance with temp sensors is vital to calibration measurements remaining the same as the OEM component. Did I mention that accuracy will become an issue? OK, now I did. Sensors packaged with a device are a close match to the device, and any changes can alter the calibration. Resistance specs on these devices are measure in fractions of an ohm, and if measured to infinite limits, none are identical...well, better said, good luck finding 2 identical components. A lot of hoops to jump through, and only your level of desperation will determine whether or not it is worth your time and effort once you reach this phase. Not to mention, due to the method of assembling the sensor probes, I doubt any of us back-yarders could even make the repair, even if it were possible, as it would be a delicate and time-consuming process using specialized tools. Add to that, most of these components are not available in low quantity orders, unless you're really lucky to find it at digikey or some other electronics component vendor.

OK, last chance test, if the probe cable does pass testing for resistance and you have no other identical probe to test the head-unit with for functionality: CAREFULLY test for voltage output at the receptacle on your device. Be aware that one slip of a test probe could short circuit your device and possibly cause permanent damage. If there is not a seal on the case that would indicate a voided warranty (if applicable), you would be least likely to cause electronics damage by opening the case and locating the receptacle for further inspection (look for mechanical damage first) and testing. If you're really lucky, there is an internal fuse that can be de-soldered or simply snapped out of it's holder. Some devices may have built-in, automatic electronic protection, but only the really goods ones will have that...this is probably not incorporated into a device such as these, though. That said, use extreme caution and only do these types of tests without any interruptions, or more importantly, distractions.

So, if you find that there is no voltage at the cable receptacle on the device, you obviously have some more serious issues requiring in-depth inspection and testing. If you wish to further pursue in-house repairs from this point, drop me a line and we'll discuss some possible routes accomplishing it, based on your available tools and skill-set. Here again, with a few close-up photos so I see what you're seeing, it can be done, up to the point where you'll eventually exhaust your resources and need more specialized tools, materials, etc.

I only explained the problem with finding replacement component parts such as the actual sensor (plugs are easier to find and have less restrictive specs) for the event that someone might actually consider doing that level of repair. I personally would not replace some of these smaller components, unless I was looking at a $75-$100 probe assembly...'cuz you may need a few weeks of free time to do your research, not to mention waiting for an order, then performing the actual deed, and doing it right the first time (not destroying your new parts or the device as a whole)...to those who try it, my hat is off to you, 'cuz you got what it takes to fix pretty much anything electronic...best of luck to you.

So, I guess I dove deep into my past to find all this off the top of head, but it all applies to the temp probes we're speaking of. Yeah, I used to do a lot of troubleshooting back in the day...draw on me for more tips/info if you feel the need.

Hope this gives you enough insight to get started. The actual troubleshooting isn't that complex or difficult, but as you can imagine, the deeper the problem, the deeper the toolbox (and patience), and slower the clock needs to be.

Eric

Not to derail this thread: please use the PMs for further discussion, or start a new thread. Continue on with the thread topic.

Sorry about that DB...should have sent you a PM, instead.

DISCLAIMER: this only a representative sample of steps and methods based on my memory of 8+ years of self-taught industrial electronics repairs, and is not a complete guide, nor does it include EVERYTHING you need to know to complete the repairs of a faulty temp probe or head-unit. Travel this path at your own risk.

(stated for those who should not attempt these procedures due to the complete lack of necessary tools and skills, until seeking further consultation, developing the necessary skills and acquiring the necessary tools)
 
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DB, I love my maverick and thermowand. I have bought new probes on Amazon that were not expensive. I also have a cable entrance connector that you can get from Lowes for a couple of bucks in the electrical dept. If you don't have a 1/2" threaded outlet in your CC, you can drill a hole for the whole male nipple and secure it with the nut and washer that comes with it.

This is a couple of things that I will pass along.
1. I'm glad you don't pull the probe. By the wire anymore.
2. The heat shrink rubber things work really good. Also in the Lowes electrical dept.
3. When I bought my 6' probes to replace the standard 3' ones,I kept them for emergencies.
4. And especially, I don't think the KBB will fit under your tree, but I'm sure that Royal Oak lump will.

I have already put in my Christmas wish for a new holster, but my b'day is 3/30, so for spring I am asking for a 22" Weber kettle to go along with my offset for smaller cooks, searing, or hotter cooks.

Hope y'all had a great thanksgiving and we wish you a Merry Christmas, Joe
 
Thanks for the walkthrough, Eric! I will have at 'er one day this week.

It may not get that involved though lol
 
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DB, I love my maverick and thermowand. I have bought new probes on Amazon that were not expensive. I also have a cable entrance connector that you can get from Lowes for a couple of bucks in the electrical dept. If you don't have a 1/2" threaded outlet in your CC, you can drill a hole for the whole male nipple and secure it with the nut and washer that comes with it.

This is a couple of things that I will pass along.
1. I'm glad you don't pull the probe. By the wire anymore.
2. The heat shrink rubber things work really good. Also in the Lowes electrical dept.
3. When I bought my 6' probes to replace the standard 3' ones,I kept them for emergencies.
4. And especially, I don't think the KBB will fit under your tree, but I'm sure that Royal Oak lump will.

I have already put in my Christmas wish for a new holster, but my b'day is 3/30, so for spring I am asking for a 22" Weber kettle to go along with my offset for smaller cooks, searing, or hotter cooks.

Hope y'all had a great thanksgiving and we wish you a Merry Christmas, Joe
Thanks Joe.

I think I will be heat shrinking my new probes. Having a probe start to die is strangely heartbreaking.

If you're trying to get me to switch to Royal Oak lump, it might just be working!
 
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