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The corn pellets are different - I will try to get some over here. I am confused about them though reading the bag... Are they horse feed or horse bedding?  Does the smoke smell of corn?

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Have just been reading about them - It looks as if they are used for absorbing liquid in the horse stalls. I can find non-specific wood pellets for sale for that purpose here - but not corn pellets.
 
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Great smoker pops and great invention. We can get an American Mailbox in the UK for £35 quid so that's a one on the list of "to do's"

But back to the wooden Hot /Cold smoking debate...................... You obviously can hot smoke in a wooden enclosure as they did for many many years up and down the Northumberland coast. Fishermen smoked the deluge of Herring that used to come to our shores in huts on the beach or upturned boats. However the savvy ones realising wood and open flame done mix built brick smoke houses, Craster Kippers you may have heard of them?????? well they built theirs in 1856 and its the only one left.

I suppose you could hot smoke in any type container, its just what happens next???????

Pops has been using his for 5 years so got to be OK for Dusty? Only an opinion mind but................
Forth Worth TX is a different weather environment to North Scotland so I'm with wade on the bacteria and cleaning implications, environmental health springs to mind after some dodgy chicken?
Also pops smoker is 3.5 times the volume of Dusty's, so better heat distribution over a greater area (longer to heat though). Less chance of directed hot spots for spontaneous combustion.
With 1 inch paving slabs surrounding the burner there's less chance of a flame over to the wood if any fat splashes down, which it will.
Pops also had drip trays arranged as a "Catcher" I imagine for the same reason.
I would imagine that Pops has a bigger back yard for his smoker (well everything in Texas is bigger isn't that so Danny?) so burning the house down may not be a concern.

But can you just imagine the conversation with Insurance loss assessor and the fire brigade in the UK...................."So what your saying is you had a naked flame gas burner linked to a propane tank in a enclosed small wooden enclosure?" "Yes" - "And you had it near to your house and left it burning for 8 hours" "Yes" "And you didn't open it to have a look to see if there was a problem?" "No didn't want any heat loss" "Didn't you notice the smoke?" "Its a Smoker!!!!!!!!"

Morals of the story, either, should have had accidental damage cover on you buildings insurance :hit: or think again about putting gas burners in small wooden boxes. Just saying.

A Neighbour of Pops, Richard Rawlings of Gas Monkey Garage once said to a buyer from the UK (not a quote but you will get the gist) " We aint got the restrictions or regulations you have, this is the USA man! possibly Moral number 3?

Protect it, line it or.................don't do it!
 
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Check out Pat1200's "building my old smokey" pictures............. about a 2 or 3 foot deep square stone trough with the wooden enclosure on top. Easier to clean and sanitise the base. Oh and a separate stone built wood fired heat source. Me thinks he has thought this issue through.
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Hey Wade,

On the corn thing they actually sell corn heating burners in the US, suppose to give a sweet smell when burning maybe like pop corn? But depends on the US state you are in for cost. For some its shelled corn and is granular rather than a pellet so burner delivery is different but others are a Corn Bio-mass pellet fuel

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"For most people, the pellet made from corn is a kind of commendable feed for various animals. However, corn pellet is also an alternative biomass fuel with an increased availability of fuel resources, generally used to create a source of heat for residential and sometimes industrial spaces.
Corn pellets come from a renewable source as with wood pellets, which, together with their cleaning burning, makes them eco-friendly. At the same time, burning corn pellets creates a wonderful sweet scent. They can offer the same cost-effective heating as wood pellets.

The horse feed and piddle absorbers are a different thing
 
But back to the wooden Hot /Cold smoking debate...................... You obviously can hot smoke in a wooden enclosure as they did for many many years up and down the Northumberland coast. Fishermen smoked the deluge of Herring that used to come to our shores in huts on the beach or upturned boats. However the savvy ones realising wood and open flame done mix built brick smoke houses, Craster Kippers you may have heard of them?????? well they built theirs in 1856 and its the only one left.

Been to Craster Smoke House, and fished off the sea wall their, I think there is also a smoke house in Whitby, near the steps to go up to the Whitby Monestary. Also spent a lot of time fishing off Whitby Sea walls/Pier.

I would look at using Vermiculit as the insulator, very light and easy to use. Mix 5-1 with cement then add water, can form it into any shape you require.
The techical specifications

Comparing the insulating lightweight concrete produced by mixing vermiculite and cement, depending on how it is mixed, this concrete is around 80% to 90% less heavy in weight sense, per same volume, than a conventional heavy/hard concrete. One inch or 25.4mm of vermiculite insulation layer thickness will have the equal insulating property values as 508 millimeters – 20″ thick regular concrete layer has. How is that for an interesting differences in material?

I have lined a Catering BBQ with this stuff and a Beer Keg Tandoori Oven.



It's easy to handle just use a Plastering Float to push in to place a smooth off.

Smokin Monkey
 
 
The corn pellets are different - I will try to get some over here. I am confused about them though reading the bag... Are they horse feed or horse bedding?  Does the smoke smell of corn?

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Have just been reading about them - It looks as if they are used for absorbing liquid in the horse stalls. I can find non-specific wood pellets for sale for that purpose here - but not corn pellets.
They are horse bedding.  My dad used crushed corn cobs as smouldering material in his smokehouses vs. wood sawdust, chips or chunks.  It produced a less bitter, sweeter smoke.  Todd Johnson found some corn cob pellets and sent me some to try, made by Best Cob[emoji]174[/emoji] in the midwest (corn belt).  They have no additives, glues or binders, just steam-pressed into pellets.  And with them in the AMNPS, they have that distinct aroma of corn cobs, brought back memories waking up on a cold winter morning, our room filled with corn cob smoke (a leak in the chimney) and knowing dad was smoking hams and bacons again!  Found out that Tractor Supply carried them all across the US for horse bedding.  They are a 40 lb. bag for about $20 US.  A milder, sweeter smoking material and inexpensive, too!  Thank Todd Johnson for the discovery! 
 
Many thanks again everyone great to see everybody's ideas and variations of the same units in different ways.

I'm veering towards the Amaze pellet burner in an outside box piped in to the smoker for cold smoking just means I'm going to have to get my smoker in to the position I want on legs and get the exterior boards on and peaked roof before lighting it up.

As for placement of my smoker kiska95 it's going to be 50 meters away from the house and not near anything combustible just hope it don't go on fire if I'm not in as my nearest neighbour is 3 miles away and nearest fire station 18 miles away.

Regards

Dusty.
 
Yep 50 yds seems like a plan but i wonder how far a propane bottle travels when it goes pop. with lecy it only trips the RCD
Huston we have a problem!
 
Well; actually what is left of  tank will go UP.  Where does what is left come down?  Well you would have to factor in how full it was and also the wind conditions.  Explosions like that are very interesting to investigate.  I would reckon the blast radius of that scenario would be 20-25 feet max.  Now gun powder depending on how it is packed can be a different story.  Fire damage to your house from a wooden smoke house 50 yards away is almost non existent.  Unless you are in Texas and the DRY grass catches fire.  But that is not a problem here.  Also In Texas the roofing material is mostly a tarmac like substance.  So more likely to catch fire.  Roofing material here is mostly slate.  Slate don't burn.  I built and regularly use a black powder cannon in Texas.  Have used gun powder all my life.  We are NOT talking gun powder but have even built pipe bombs for fun in my younger days.  I have blown up a LOT of sh, stuff!!  I understand explosions and the resulting fires.  Nothing beats a GOOD EXPLOSION!  Well there it is dustyslaw.  The choice is yours.  Keep Smokin!

Danny
 
Hi Danny, Kiska95,

If you read my last post my plan is now to Cold Smoke with the plan to possibly hot smoke at a later date. Get one thing going first think I have too many irons in the fire with both.

Wade I will get back to you on when I get 5 minutes been kind of hectic today.

Regards

Dusty.
 
Hi
Great smoker pops and great invention. We can get an American Mailbox in the UK for £35 quid so that's a one on the list of "to do's"

But back to the wooden Hot /Cold smoking debate...................... You obviously can hot smoke in a wooden enclosure as they did for many many years up and down the Northumberland coast. Fishermen smoked the deluge of Herring that used to come to our shores in huts on the beach or upturned boats. However the savvy ones realising wood and open flame done mix built brick smoke houses, Craster Kippers you may have heard of them?????? well they built theirs in 1856 and its the only one left.

I suppose you could hot smoke in any type container, its just what happens next???????

Pops has been using his for 5 years so got to be OK for Dusty? Only an opinion mind but................
Forth Worth TX is a different weather environment to North Scotland so I'm with wade on the bacteria and cleaning implications, environmental health springs to mind after some dodgy chicken?
Also pops smoker is 3.5 times the volume of Dusty's, so better heat distribution over a greater area (longer to heat though). Less chance of directed hot spots for spontaneous combustion.
With 1 inch paving slabs surrounding the burner there's less chance of a flame over to the wood if any fat splashes down, which it will.
Pops also had drip trays arranged as a "Catcher" I imagine for the same reason.
I would imagine that Pops has a bigger back yard for his smoker (well everything in Texas is bigger isn't that so Danny?) so burning the house down may not be a concern.

But can you just imagine the conversation with Insurance loss assessor and the fire brigade in the UK...................."So what your saying is you had a naked flame gas burner linked to a propane tank in a enclosed small wooden enclosure?" "Yes" - "And you had it near to your house and left it burning for 8 hours" "Yes" "And you didn't open it to have a look to see if there was a problem?" "No didn't want any heat loss" "Didn't you notice the smoke?" "Its a Smoker!!!!!!!!"

Morals of the story, either, should have had accidental damage cover on you buildings insurance
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or think again about putting gas burners in small wooden boxes. Just saying.

A Neighbour of Pops, Richard Rawlings of Gas Monkey Garage once said to a buyer from the UK (not a quote but you will get the gist) " We aint got the restrictions or regulations you have, this is the USA man! possibly Moral number 3?

Protect it, line it or.................don't do it!
Yep 50 yds seems like a plan but i wonder how far a propane bottle travels when it goes pop. with lecy it only trips the RCD
Huston we have a problem!
You asked the question.  I was just trying to help by explaining what would happen in the explosion and resulting fire you seem to be convinced is going to happen when using gas for heat in a wooden smoke house.  NO! I am not an explosives expert.  I was only explaining my personal experiences with gun powder.  YES! I did do quite a bit of research before building a cannon and lighting the darn thing the first time.  You need to understand the combustion process before getting started.  As I know your comment about safety concerns and regulations in the States versus the U.K. MUST have been a joke and that many folks use gas to heat their wooden smoke house I thought you were curious as to what would happen if a gas bottle exploded.  I hope I was helpful in answering your question.

Danny
 
Hi Danny,

Really???? It was rhetorical with a laugh added in as were my other post especially regarding the Insurance man and the Fire brigade! Some guys got it quickly! But as there is not internation in posts or emails its hard to get the fun across, just depend on where your at when you read them. Most of my posts are meant that way but maybe my NE humor isn't travelling that well.
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 If this were BGT I think "Simon" just pressed his buzzer! Lol!

However you learn something new every day and I CERTAINLY have but didn't expect that sort of "info" from a smoking forum
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. but good info I wont forget that in a hurry.
 
Thought we might have problems with Makems and Geordies on here, but Makems and Texans is a new one though 
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That's the trouble with posts, 2D writing in a 3D world, anyhoo I used to be partial to a few "Backyard Ballistics" in my youth, will have to have a reminisance when we meet up next Danny, maybe I should bring my carbide cannon to Woodhall ? 
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anyhoo I used to be partial to a few "Backyard Ballistics" in my youth, will have to have a reminisance when we meet up next Danny,
Me too - and for several years I was a partner in a professional fireworks display company to help me satisfy my love of loud noises 
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Oh i think i got the loud noise wade, my ears (and arxx) are still ringing lol! never had such a battering since i was at school! and touche jock well wrote! Lol!
But now the sugar coat..... well if we all had the same point of view it wouldnt be a healthy disussion forum and i would be a leming! but its the man with the biggest gun that wins and i aint got no gun. So peace im a lover not a fighter
Keep fumin!
ps theres a bit of humour thrown in there in case its missed
 
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