thanks chef jimmy j and diggindogfarm, i was gonna try a 1.5%/kg honey to start, diggindogfarm, might 3% be high, seems like allot of honey??? im just thinkin out loud, no offence, your 1.8-2 for salt and .5 for garlic is right on the money for sure. maybe then ill split the diff and try a 2 for honey. i can say then that my batch will be 1.8-2/salt, 1/garlic, 2/honey. will let You guys know how things turn out. cheff jiimy j, the link was to allow members to see the style/flavor of sausage and perhaps to try some, most as i, like hotter/spicier style of sausage but every now and then i buy some honey/garlic for a change up, kids/women and overall everyone loves that style of fresh sausage on the smoker/grill. it is a nice variation for a change up. will post up some pics too. thanks. (the johnsonville ingredients, like most are all spices/flavorings as opposed to raw ingredients, you are correct, i will use fresh and raw ingredients as i always do. peace