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Fermented salami help

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hello guys,

 

I'm making salami over the weekend and have some questions about fermented salami.

 

Although we like to think we are salami masters (highly unlikely) we are but amateurs when it comes to fermenting at warm temps. I have the Bactoferm F1 culture and curing salt #2 which we will combine with our standard ingredients we use every year. 

 

The recommended temp is roughly 20-30c for about 24 hours. (Not 100% sure on humidity id guess 80%)

 

Question:

I don't have a fermentation chamber, was just wondering what you fermentation veterans think I can do to compensate? Could I just find a room with enough humidity and bump up the central heating? Any advice is much appreciated. 

 

Jon.

post #2 of 13
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Originally Posted by JonsSmokeHouse View Post

Hello guys,

 

I'm making salami over the weekend and have some questions about fermented salami.

 

Although we like to think we are salami masters (highly unlikely) we are but amateurs when it comes to fermenting at warm temps. I have the Bactoferm F1 culture and curing salt #2 which we will combine with our standard ingredients we use every year. 

 

The recommended temp is roughly 20-30c for about 24 hours. (Not 100% sure on humidity id guess 80%)

 

Question:

I don't have a fermentation chamber, was just wondering what you fermentation veterans think I can do to compensate? Could I just find a room with enough humidity and bump up the central heating? Any advice is much appreciated. 

 

Jon.


You really dont need a special fermentation chamber. Use your smoker if its electric or rig up an 80w light bulb. Your needing 80* temp and 60-70% R/H for fermentation with the Bactoferm. Use a small glass pan with salt on the bottom (bout 1/8") and just barely cover with water. This should give you target R/H.

post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks nepas, in that case i have this box i made for biltong a while ago that i could use as it has facility for globes...are the air vents an issue? will it dry too quickly and get case hardening or does is require airflow during fermentation process? (Second image is old and doesnt show the air vents like in 1st pic)

There is also a fan that could be used if needed, not sure if would help.

 

j

 

post #4 of 13

YW

 

Man i sure could eat some Biltong right now. Been awhile since i made some. Nice Biltong box you have there.

post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 

I think i made a big mistake,  I made a 15kg experimental batch of salami and used the curing salt#2.  I added 25g per kilo which was about 370g.  Was i meant to add the curing salt #2 to the normal salt, or is is ok to just use the curing salt? I think i just lost 15 kg of salami

 

Edit...I just realized recommended dose is 2.5g per kilo.  The 25g amount per kilo i did is potentially very dangerous. 


Edited by JonsSmokeHouse - 7/12/13 at 6:48am
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by JonsSmokeHouse View Post

I think i made a big mistake,  I made a 15kg experimental batch of salami and used the curing salt#2.  I added 25g per kilo which was about 370g.  Was i meant to add the curing salt #2 to the normal salt, or is is ok to just use the curing salt? I think i just lost 15 kg of salami

 

Edit...I just realized recommended dose is 2.5g per kilo.  The 25g amount per kilo i did is potentially very dangerous. 

 

What were the percentages of Sodium Nitrate and Sodium Nitrite in the Curing Salt?

post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 

The curing salt #2 mix i used is:

 

6% sodium nitrite

4% sodium nitrate

Mineral salt (341)

Colour )123_

 

I did not add any other salt.

post #8 of 13
Sounds like you already know the answer, 1500ppm nitrite and 1000ppm nitrate is 10X what should have been used.


~Martin
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Yes, the packet recommended 4.5g per kilo, so it's about x6 more than recommended. I can remember reading the directions and have used it before, just had a brain fade, what a waste!
post #10 of 13
I have no idea what guidelines they're using, it's 10X what's recommended here in the USA, but it's a mute point because, either way, it's far too much.


~Martin
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by JonsSmokeHouse View Post

The curing salt #2 mix i used is:

 

6% sodium nitrite

4% sodium nitrate

Mineral salt (341)

Colour )123_

 

I did not add any other salt.

I was hoping that you might have used the Austrailian equivelent of Nitritpökelsalz.    This is only 0.5% Nitrate, in which case you would be OK.   However, you are way over on Nitrites and while not over on Nitrates you would have to age your Salami for quite some time.

 

BTW Nice cabinet

post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by JonsSmokeHouse View Post

Hello guys,

 

I'm making salami over the weekend and have some questions about fermented salami.

 

Although we like to think we are salami masters (highly unlikely) we are but amateurs when it comes to fermenting at warm temps. I have the Bactoferm F1 culture and curing salt #2 which we will combine with our standard ingredients we use every year. 

 

The recommended temp is roughly 20-30c for about 24 hours. (Not 100% sure on humidity id guess 80%)

 

Question:

I don't have a fermentation chamber, was just wondering what you fermentation veterans think I can do to compensate? Could I just find a room with enough humidity and bump up the central heating? Any advice is much appreciated. 

 

Jon.

Jon, evening... Just saw this thread.....   Below is a link to RH with different salts...    There are others but this will get you started..  Hope it helps....  Some recipes call for different RH values....     

As far as the "overage" of nitrate, someone should know how long you could hang the meat at a temp that will allow the nitrate to convert  completely.....   It may take 5-10 years for the meat to be safe....    Not sure if it's worth it....   but it could be darn good after a 5-10 year aging process.....  

 

http://www.conservationphysics.org/satslt/satsalt.php

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by DaveOmak View Post

Jon, evening... Just saw this thread.....   Below is a link to RH with different salts...    There are others but this will get you started..  Hope it helps....  Some recipes call for different RH values....     

As far as the "overage" of nitrate, someone should know how long you could hang the meat at a temp that will allow the nitrate to convert  completely.....   It may take 5-10 years for the meat to be safe....    Not sure if it's worth it....   but it could be darn good after a 5-10 year aging process.....  

 

http://www.conservationphysics.org/satslt/satsalt.php

 

5-10 years, this made me laugh.  Thanks for info.

 

Thanks to everyone else for advice as well, i managed to do another small experiment batch and is fermenting as we speak. Ill post pics soon.

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