Testing new smoke generator with water cooler

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Thats pretty neat.

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Navigator,  Looks like a larger fan would be overkill.  Couple questions.  Do the pellets burn from the top down?  Is that a water jacket on the right of the two bottom pics.  If so I would think it to be a good liquid smoke condenser also.

Tom
 
Yes from top down. I would think so, you might have to figure out a way to filter it. There is a small leak I have to get welded at the spot the ball valve fitting is welded into the main tube so I just tested it dry.
 
I suppose it could, it came with no instructions so I just lit it on the top figuring I didn't want the fan blowing directly on the burning pellets.
 
I suppose it could, it came with no instructions so I just lit it on the top figuring I didn't want the fan blowing directly on the burning pellets.
I can see then that some experimenting is in order then (the fun part).  Is that an aquarium type air pump on the bottom right of picture one?

The fan will be blowing on the pellets when they burn down anyway.  My concern of burning top down would be blowing ash onto product.

Is the water jacket repaired yet?  That baby may burn pretty hot with a lot of air movement. I can see that wood chunks would work in it also.

Later, T
 
I can see then that some experimenting is in order then (the fun part).  Is that an aquarium type air pump on the bottom right of picture one?

The fan will be blowing on the pellets when they burn down anyway.  My concern of burning top down would be blowing ash onto product.

Is the water jacket repaired yet?  That baby may burn pretty hot with a lot of air movement. I can see that wood chunks would work in it also.

Later, T
I will have to try it from the bottom up. I burned it for 13 hours on the first run no ash detected but I did get a puddle of liquid smoke, the overnight temperature dropped into the single digits, at least I had planned ahead and put a pan under it just in case. I got some of that smoke on my hands while cleaning up and I still have the brown stain and slight smell after 4-5 washings and 24 plus hours later.

the bottom right of the first pic is the blower, its attached to a small stainless damper box.

I also have a 3 meter stainless corrugated tube that is the same as was used inside the water cooler, I plan to use that to connect it to my smoker, should assist in cooling as well and some flexibility in mounting locations. I don't know when I will get that weld repaired, I leave for vacation later this week. 

I might try a bottom burn later today.
 
What do you have to do to get that Billowy White Smoke to turn to some TBS?...JJ
 
 Flavor and preservation depends on wood and smoke management.  Although most prefer TBS, don't let the white smoke scare you, it can be very beneficial once one learns how to use it.   Experience will be the best teacher here. 

Tom
 
 Flavor and preservation depends on wood and smoke management.  Although most prefer TBS, don't let the white smoke scare you, it can be very beneficial once one learns how to use it.   Experience will be the best teacher here. 

Tom
I have to disagree to a point here Tom. That amount of White Smoke Pumped into a Big Smoke House...No problem what so ever but the same going into a 55 Gallon UDS or a Refer Conversion and you get Nasty tasting meat. There is a reason smoke sites make a big deal about Thin Blue Smoke. Most guy are weekend warriors with small smokers. I learned the hard way. I all but gave up smoking meat because I thought if you weren't getting a ton of smoke you were not doing it right and my Q tasted like it was smoked in a House Fire!...JJ
 
I have to disagree to a point here Tom. That amount of White Smoke Pumped into a Big Smoke House...No problem what so ever but the same going into a 55 Gallon UDS or a Refer Conversion and you get Nasty tasting meat. There is a reason smoke sites make a big deal about Thin Blue Smoke. Most guy are weekend warriors with small smokers. I learned the hard way. I all but gave up smoking meat because I thought if you weren't getting a ton of smoke you were not doing it right and my Q tasted like it was smoked in a House Fire!...JJ
Not to risk thread jumping, I have to disagree with you to a point also JJ.  It comes down as stated earlier, wood and smoke management which naturally would include timing.  The time a product is in a small smoker will be different from a larger one using the same amount of smoke being generated. If meat is nasty tasting, obviously it was in the smoke too long.  On the other side many using pellet smokers/grills complain that they don't get enough smoke flavor.  Note: We are talking white smoke, not yellow or black which would produce the nasty tasting creosote.

The following is a thread that I started for people learning the basics to smoking.  Hopefully it will explain my opinion towards the color of smoke and how to manage it.   

http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/107629/smoked-bread-crackers-and-snacks

Tom
 
Besides cold smoking I also bought it to add some additional smoke to my FEC-120 (convection pellet smoker)  with the convection fan running I'm sure if I use it to add smoke to the first few hours of a low and slow my meat wont be tasting like it was smoked in a house fire ;)
 
Tom, I respect your knowledge and results but your idea that white smoke is ok, is just not supported. When it comes to the intensity of smoke flavor there is no disagreement that wood and timing is a factor. I would not use Mesquite, or 100% Hickory for more than a few hours, just not to my taste. But I and many here routinely smoke for 2 hours to several days with a variety of woods, whether Dust, Pellets, Chips, Chunks, Splits or Logs and I will challenge you to find a single member who deliberately strives to generate " White Smoke " under any situation!

Whether they smoke 1 hour or 1 week...Thin Blue Smoke is the Goal. I can't help but think... There is a reason there are over 250 proud members of the Order of the Thin Blue Smoke and a Joke Thread called the Secret Order of the Billowing White Smoke...

Pellet Grills are primarily designed to generate a lot of Heat not Smoke so the flavor will be weak.  Pellet Smoke Generators don't produce enough flavor?...There are a whole lot of AMNPS owners that will totally disagree here.

As far as Yellow and Black Smoke a search turned up zero threads on the subject. However search White Smoke and there are 219 pages...Every one warning that there is a problem...JJ
 
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does the smoke pass through the water like a water pipe or does the pipe go through the water?

I for one am not a fan of billowing white smoke for doing a cook longer than 30 min. For me it gives a bitter taste. However if it is passing through the water and heating the water to also get water vapor with it, that can be deceiving. I on occasion use a Pitmaster Vault and it is a vertical water smoker and puts out a billowing white smoke and at first I was concerned till I realized it was water vapor mostly.

From what I could see on the video it looks like a smoke gun principle and the only thing I have seen them used for is quick smoke, mostly show for guest in the dinning room.

Below I have a couple picture of the gun I have used and a presentation it was used for.

That is a very cool looking toy. Make sure you practice and keep notes to get the results you are looking for.....

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Tom, I respect your knowledge and results but your idea that white smoke is ok, is just not supported. When it comes to the intensity of smoke flavor there is no disagreement that wood and timing is a factor. I would not use Mesquite, or 100% Hickory for more than a few hours, just not to my taste. But I and many here routinely smoke for 2 hours to several days with a variety of woods, whether Dust, Pellets, Chips, Chunks, Splits or Logs and I will challenge you to find a single member who deliberately strives to generate " White Smoke " under any situation!

I obviously have not made myself clear here and am not going to challenge anyone's knowledge of smoking but rather try to add to it . I believe that the most desirable smoke is the TBS, but it's my belief that there are more ways to smoke food rather than using only TBS. As far as support the best explanation of my theory can be found, unfortunately it is in a different forum.  If someone feels that the only way to smoke foods is with TBS and they get their desired results, I say, stick with it

Whether they smoke 1 hour or 1 week...Thin Blue Smoke is the Goal. I can't help but think... There is a reason there are over 250 proud members of the Order of the Thin Blue Smoke and a Joke Thread called the Secret Order of the Billowing White Smoke...

.   If you are of the adventurous type there are many smoke generators and techniques that produce only white smoke.  Just like any tool, you have to know how to use it.   I am glad to hear that there are over 250 proud members of the Order of the TBS, but it will take more than that to convince me that I have been smoking foods incorrectly for over 55 years.  If they want to joke about it, it's my opinion, the joke is on them.

 White smoke can contribute positively to the flavor and color of smoked foods and if not used correctly the results can be bitter rather than smoky.   I stress again smoke management and will give a couple examples of using a heavy smoke for flavor.

1.  Cold smoking poultry for 15 - 20 minutes prior to finishing  on a grill. 

2.  Placing a just cooked steak in a heavy cold smoke environment during the resting period for two to three minutes will add a tremendous amount of flavor.

Pellet Grills are primarily designed to generate a lot of Heat not Smoke so the flavor will be weak.  Pellet Smoke Generators don't produce enough flavor?...There are a whole lot of AMNPS owners that will totally disagree here.

 I was referring to the pellet smoker/grills such as the Fast Eddy's where many add the AMNPS, tube smokers or other device to gain more smoke during a limited  cooking  time.  I believe that is what Navigators plans are with his new smoke generator.

 I do not disagree about the AMNPS as I have one and if you remember that is what was used when I smoked my country ham for 128 hours.  I presently  have three more hams curing and will be smoking them in a couple months.  My plan on these as the temperature will be up a little is to use the AMNPS in conjunction with a Smoke Daddy in order to cut the smoking time down.

As far as Yellow and Black Smoke a search turned up zero threads on the subject. However search White Smoke and there are 219 pages...Every one warning that there is a problem...JJ

Are you saying that I am suggesting members do something dangerous?
 
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