Need some begining help

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j-boogie

Newbie
Original poster
Dec 26, 2012
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Tulsa, OK
Hello all.

I just received a Master Forge Charcoal Smoker/Griller as a gift.  It's model #CBS1101L.  I've added a picture below.  I've done some grilling in the past and have perfected ribs on my Ducane grill with indirect heat, a water pan and some wood chips.  I've been wanting to get in to smoking for some time and thanks to my wife, here's my chance.

I've done some research and I figure the best way to learn about my smoker is to start small.  So I'm going to start with a whole chicken.  I found the Slaughterhouse Poultry Brine recipe on this site and plan to use that.  I have some rubs and rub recipes, so I should be good there.  I also have a beer can chicken stand that I can use.

Here's where I need some assistance and any assistance is appreciated.  Is it best to go with charcoal base and wood?   I can get wood chunks from my local butcher.  I also can get my hands on wood chips, but I figure they would burn to quick.  Does anyone have experience with this smoker or one that is similar?  Any help with the best way to build the fire?  Briquettes versus lump?

Thanks for the help and I look forward to years of smoking and eating.
 
I not very familiar with the smoker and the pic didn't load, but the principles of firing a vertical charcoal smoker are pretty much the same regardless of the smoker model/manufacturer. That said, lump burns hotter, produces less ash, and charcoal briquettes can be your enemy if ash fall-out is not designed into the smoker's fire box/pan, as they can produce a lot of ash. It's generally not an issue for shorter smokes, such as a whole chicken and pieces, steaks, chops, etc, although with longer smoke times as would be expected with a pork butt, ash will overwhelm the fire and you will fight trying to keep smoke chamber temps high enough to cook properly.

Also, do you intend to use the minion method to build the fire, or, just add small amounts of fuel to keep temps stable during smoking? If you've never heard of the minion method, disregard for now, and keep things simple. The reason I ask is that for the minion method to work well, it seems that the smoker needs to be pretty air-tight on the lower end to allow for infinite control of intake air for fire control. If this is not possible, the fire can grow too large too quickly and run out of control with very high smoke chamber temps. It's an acquired skill to fire with the minion method, and having a properly designed or modified smoker is a basic need for it work, so maybe plan for fire tending, instead.

Wood chips do burn quickly when exposed to the nearby heat of a charcoal or lump fire, and chunks smolder more slowly. Placement of the chunks for slower smoking will help as well. Get them close to the fire, or touching hot coals to get them started, if needed, then move away from the fire just a bit to slow them down. The larger the chunk, the longer the smoke.As an alternative, smaller pieces can be made to smoke slower by limiting the amount of air/heat getting to them. A burned-out tin can with chips in it next to the fire can work well, as an example. For higher restriction of air, put the lid back on the can, loosely, to allow smoke to vent out the top, but reduce air from entering into the can, slowing the burn of the wood.

A meat thermometer is pretty much a must, and knowing what the smoke chamber temps are as well as the finished temp of the meat is also a must...time for cooking is irrelevant for the most part, and temps are everything in order to have safe meats for dining.

I'm late to the game here, and you've probably tried to make a go of it by now...hope this helps you figure out any issues you may have experienced thus far, and what steps to take next for better results and a more enjoyable smoking experience.

Come on back if there's something else you need assistance with.

If you haven't discovered it yet, check out Jeff's 5-day Ecourse found HERE...it's free, sent to you via email, and has a lot of basic info for the beginners get started with. If you have problems getting the ecourse, you could have it sent to you via a PM (private message) if I recall correctly...Jeff goes to great lengths to assure everyone can learn about smoking when they visit this site.

Eric
 
Eric,

Wow!  Thanks so much for the all of the information.  For some reason the photo of my smoker would not load and I forgot to take that line out of my post.  I've had four runs so far.  I smoked a chicken, two chickens and two runs at scallops.  The chickens care out great.  The first one cooked a lot quicker than the next two.  I believe this is because it was the first burn and I went with way to many coals, as in the minion method.  I know, I know.  Minion method for a chicken?  Well ya gotta learn, right?  I think I'm better with briquettes than lump right now.  The fire pan does have some slots in the bottom that help with ash, but I understand a little more about tending the fire. 

The first run with scallops went poorly.  They were cooked well, but way to much hickory.  Too strong of a wood for scallops.  The second run with the scallops went great.  Used an extremely small piece of apple.  Great flavor.

I'm going to attempt a pork butt this weekend.  I think I'm going to go with the minion method, but keep the unlit coals to a minimum, watch my temp and add chimneys of lit coals as needed.  The bottom of the smoker holds pretty air tight.  I read your information and based on my few trials, I think I can keep it around 225 degrees.  But again, can't learn if you don't try.  Right?

Thank you for the information on the use of wood.  I think it will come in great use this weekend.

I've taken Jeff's Ecourse.  Lot's of great information.  Thanks again and I may be taking you up on the offer for more education.

Jason
 
I just got that same smoker for Christmas, and I'm trying to read up on everything I can so I don't foul up my first smoke.  I do have a couple of questions:

-I was planning on trying a pork butt first, but it looks like that might be a fairly long smoke.  What would recommend to try first?

-With that Master Forge smoker, do you add the coals to the pan and then assemble it with the clips?  I am planning on using a chimney starter, and have been wondering what the safest way to move the hot coals into the smoker would be

Many thanks!
 
HarmSmoke,

I use Tongs to transfer hot coals. A bird or quarters woulds be good starter smoke. Be sure to check internal temps for min. 165* before removing from smoker.

You're most welcome, Jason.


Eric
 
HarmSmoke,

I agree with Eric.  I started with a beer can chicken.  It's hard to screw up and you can really get a handle on your smoker and the heat range.

One thing I would suggest is to season the smoker.  You can find information on this site or others regarding this process.  I would look for more information, but basically I washed the inside of the smoker, drip pan, grates with a mild dish soap.  Wipe everything dry.  Spray the drip pan, grates and inside of the smoker with pam.  Then burn a full chimney of coals with water water in the drip pan.  Much like seasoning a cast iron skillet, this will improve the smoker.  Also, it's a great way to get an idea of how hot how the smoker will run.  I have noticed that my seasoning burn ran a lot hotter than burns after that.

To answer your question, yes you put lit coals in the fire pan, put the rest of the unit on top and then secure the clips.  I use a chimney starter as well and I think that's the only way to go.  If you don't have one, you can pick up a Weber Rapid Starter at Home Depot for $15.  You can start it on a side burner of a gas grill.  Or you can start the chimney on a sidewalk or non-flammable service.  I have an old grill that I don't use and I start it right on the grates.  Once the coals have a gray ash, simply grab the handles with a glove or pot holder and pour the lit coals in to smoker's fire pan.

I would take a look at Jeff's free Ecourse and also look what Eric wrote above.  I'm getting ready for a late night smoke tonight.  Starting a pork butt at 11 PM.  First one, so wish me luck.

Keep in touch.  It may be good to have each other to share ideas with as we travel in to the smoke.

Take care.

Jason
 
Jason, good luck with the butt smoke.

I'll be up for a couple more hours tonight working on a project, so I'll be around for a bit yet.

Oh, on a side note, try not to disturb the coal-bed once you get meat in the smoker, including movement of the smoker, and be gentle with doors and lids, etc...if you agitate the fire much, it will cause ashes and hot cinders to go air-borne in the smoke chamber, and in vertical smokers especially, this will result in ash-covered meats...nasty grit on the surface...been there. This is why I use tongs to add fuel or smoke wood, and for positioning smoke wood. I can be precise and gentle, with little disturbance to the fire. When I pull hot coals from a chimney, I don't look inside the chimney...just point it away from my face (hot cinders/ashes/smoke) and down wind of me and the smoker, reach in a grab a few at a time with your tongs and lay them where ever you need. It only takes a minute or so to add 1/4-1/3 chimney, which is a lot of hot coals for a small vertical smoker, once the temps are up and you're already cooking.

Have fun with your new addiction, guys!

Eric
 
The smoke went really well.  Smoked a 9 lb. 10 oz. pork butt.  Took about 14 1/2 hours.  Man it was good.  Below are some pictures of before, after and ready to eat.

It's a little difficult to get coals in to the pan while smoking or to tend to the fire.  I just very carefully undo the clips, lift the rest of the unit off and do what I need to do.  Definitely want to be careful so you don't spill the drip pan on to the coals.  Man this is good eating.



 
Big piece of meat, nice job...JJ
 
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