Think I'm not starting up my smoker correctly......

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flyinion

Smoke Blower
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Jul 9, 2012
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Sacramento, CA
After doing some ribs with 3-2-1 method and deciding they had a bit of a sharp bitter taste or oversmoked flavor, I think I'm starting up my 18.5" WSM incorrectly.  I'm not sure if the taste was creosote btw, there was no numbing before tasting the bitter and it wasn't metallic either.  So, here's what I did..........

filled charcoal ring with lump

placed good sized chunk of pecan in middle under about 1 inch of small lump chunk

placed 2-3 chunks around outside of ring

Lit 1/3rd chimney of lump with the chimney on top of the charcoal (had seen others do this and it seems less messy than on top of my gas grill grate)

dumped chimney on top of middle of charcoal, assembled smoker and waited for 225ish.

As soon as the smoker hit 225 I put the ribs on.  I notice, especially this time (don't normally put a chunk of wood in the middle though I've seen it done on youtube) that I will get a good amount of white smoke for up to 30 minutes or more after I hit 225, put the meat on, and start shutting down the vents.  I'm thinking it's this period of white smoke that I'm messing up on and I should be instead closing down the vents and waiting for the smoke to die down before the meat goes on?  I'm also curious if I should have put that chunk of wood in the middle.  My final question is a general meat smoking question.  I've read that you should plan to smoke for 1/2 the cook time.  With ribs and 3-2-1 my thought was smoke for the 3, and then the 2-1 parts no smoke.  Do I have that wrong and I should only smoke ribs for 1/2 of the first 3 hour chunk?
 
Hi did you leave the top vent all the way open or closed ? I use the minion method [ do a search its easier than me trying to explain it ] when starting a long cook on my WSM. I put a few small chunks mixed with my briquettes, Not to start a fight but thats all I use in my WSM. It smokes at first but once its going its TBS. I adjust the intakes but leave the exhaust wide open.
 
I have a FSB and noticed that using standard charcoal - I need to get it going good in the chimney before putting in the FSB, plays a big part in the taste IMHO.  Like stephan mentioned, top vent open all the way?
 
Yep top vent open all the way.  Oh and yeah I used the minion method.  Guess I should have mentioned that right away.  I did actually explain doing the minion method in my post but didn't point out that's what it was lol.  The bit where I filled the ring with lump and put some wood chunks down in it and then lit 1/3rd of a chimney of lump on top of it and dumped it when orange.

Should I not put the wood chunks in right away?  Maybe I just need to get it to 225 and then let it sit there until the white smoke dies off before putting meat on?  I haven't done that in the past, but then I haven't had quite the sharp flavor on the meat either.  I mean, the first thing I did was a pork butt and that turned out great.  I was using chips then so maybe they just burned up too quick or I didn't get as much volume on there compared to the chunks so I created less smoke or something?

I guess I'm just confused because I always read "get the smoker up to temp and put your meat on" this time that resulted in the off flavor and having the white smoke at the beginning is the only thing I can think of.  It was coming out pretty good too which normally doesn't happen either and is why I'm thinking that chunk in the center where I lit & dumped the charcoal was a bad idea.

edit:  Oh and yeah I'm not gonna start a fight on the briqs vs. lump thing lol, I switched to lump only because I read the minion method worked well with it too and I didn't like the ton of ash I got during my pork but smoke from the briqs.
 
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Takes my 18.5 WSM about fifteen min or so typically to settle down and get rid of the white smoke after I get it up to temp.  Total time from starting it to the settle down point can be approx 30-45 min.  I also only use lump.  I usually add five or six good sized chunks (approx 2x6) on to my coals after I get them going, and add more as neccessary.  Some only smoke for the first couple of hours and some smoke for the full time, it is a personal preference.

Your description definitely sounds like a mild creosote taste.

A couple of other questions:

Was this possibly a new rub?

Any chance the wood you were using was possibly still green?
 
Takes my 18.5 WSM about fifteen min or so typically to settle down and get rid of the white smoke after I get it up to temp.  Total time from starting it to the settle down point can be approx 30-45 min.  I also only use lump.  I usually add five or six good sized chunks (approx 2x6) on to my coals after I get them going, and add more as neccessary.  Some only smoke for the first couple of hours and some smoke for the full time, it is a personal preference.

Your description definitely sounds like a mild creosote taste.

A couple of other questions:

Was this possibly a new rub?

Any chance the wood you were using was possibly still green?
Ok, definitely sounds like I'm not waiting long enough then.  Looks like I need to light the chimney and once I dump it wait for the white smoke to die down before adding the meat regardless of if the temp has stabilized correct?  Nope not a new rub, using Jeff's rub and it's probably the 3rd time I've used it.  It turned out fine on the tri-tip which went in at the end of the ribs and only saw about an hour or so of TBS from tossing a couple small bits of wood on.  As best as I can tell the wood was not green either.  It's the Weber packaged pecan wood chunks.
 
Also when using lump, make sure you store it indoors in a dry place..... like the back of the garage vs. the front near the door. Lump will suck up any moisture in the air (especially at night), and once it gets moisture laden it gets skunky when you burn it. When I set up my 22.5" WSM I do the following (lump or briquette) same method:

Put one even layer of charcoal down covering the entire bottom, put 4 or 5 chunks of wood spaced evenly around the outside up against the charcoal ring, then fill the ring half way with charcoal. Rotate the ring back and forth a few times to help the charcoal to settle in and fill up the small spaces better - kind of like tapping the side of a cup of scooped flour.... it settles as you tap it. Fill the ring the rest of the way, rotate it back and forth again, nestle another 3 or 4 chunks of wood in around the outside. Get 1/3 to 1/2 of a chimney fully lit and dump it right in the middle of the unlit ring. Wait 5 min., put the body on, wait for the dome therm to come up to 200°, add hot water to the pan, wait for the dome therm to come back up to 200°, then start watching my digital probe therm until the internal chamber temp is approx. 20-25° below my target temp. Then I close down two bottom vents and wait for the temps to stabilize, make final adjustment to vents, and add meat.

The whole process from dump to meat is approx. 20-30 minutes on average, sometimes a bit longer depending on weather.
 
Thanks guys.  I'll try it with some real time to stabilize once I dump the coals and see how it goes next time.  I've just been storing the lump out on the back patio for now, with the dry hot days here in California I didn't think it would be a problem, but I'll definitely move everything indoors to the garage.
 
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